Author: Peter McKenzie
Date: 17:14:56 09/25/99
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Thanks for posting the program output Mark. Here is my take on it: Tactical: Hiarcs - rejects Nxf5 at depth 6. This fits in with my impression of Hiarcs: a slower (in NPS) program that has some clever selective stuff to see tactics at earlier plies than the classic fast searching programs. Fritz - classic fast searching type program. Needs 8ply to reject Nxf5. Junior - Never likes Nxf5, very impressive! I don't know how they do that :-) I think I heard that the Junior search is a bit different (no q-srch), this would certainly support that. Crafty - classic fast searcher, like Fritz. Needs 8ply to reject Nxf5. Positional: (based on looking at PVs) Hiarcs - seems to have the right ideas of advancing on queenside, although was showing a tendency to want to play Rad1 which doesn't fit with a queen side attack. f4 doesn't appear in any PV, I guess it has a big penalty for holes in the pawn structure. Fritz - the PVs usually lead to open positions, so I guess it wants to open the position up which I think is completely the wrong idea. Junior - has the right idea of advancing on queenside, PVs look very interesting. The only program to show f4 in any PV. One embarassing PV has knight trapped on a7 :-) Crafty - has the right idea of advancing on queenside, reluctant to play f4. So all programs think white is worse (I'm still not convinced), with two programs liking a4 and two liking Rfd1. I'd prefer a4 out of the two. I think Junior shows the best understanding, and Fritz the worst, with Hiarcs and Crafty about even. >New position >2kr1b1r/ppp4p/1q4p1/3p1p1b/3N4/2PQPPP1/PP1N2P1/R4RK1 w - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Hiarcs 7.32: > >1.b4 > = (0.05) depth: 1 00:00:00 >1.b4 Bh6 > ³ (-0.33) depth: 2/4 00:00:00 >1.b4 Bh6 > ³ (-0.33) depth: 2/13 00:00:00 >1.N2b3 Kb8 > = (0.00) depth: 2/13 00:00:00 >1.N2b3 Kb8 2.Rad1 > = (-0.10) depth: 3/13 00:00:00 >1.Nxf5 Qxb2 2.Rfb1 > = (-0.02) depth: 3/13 00:00:00 >1.Nxf5 Qxb2 2.Rfb1 Qa3 > = (-0.02) depth: 4/14 00:00:00 >1.Nxf5 Qxb2 2.Rfb1 Qa3 3.g4 gxf5 4.gxh5 Bg7 5.Qxf5+ Kb8 > = (0.08) depth: 5/19 00:00:00 12kN >1.Nxf5 gxf5 > = (-0.19) depth: 6/21 00:00:01 44kN >1.Nxf5 gxf5 2.Qxf5+ Kb8 3.Qxh5 Qxe3+ 4.Kh2 Qxd2 > -+ (-2.75) depth: 6/23 00:00:02 71kN >1.N2b3 c5 2.Nxf5 c4 3.Qd4 Qxd4 4.Nfxd4 cxb3 5.axb3 > µ (-1.03) depth: 6/23 00:00:02 98kN >1.b4 Bd6 2.Kf2 Rhe8 3.a4 Kb8 > ³ (-0.66) depth: 6/23 00:00:03 115kN >1.Rfd1 Bh6 2.b3 Kb8 3.c4 Rhe8 4.Nf1 > ³ (-0.61) depth: 6/23 00:00:04 156kN >1.Rad1 Bh6 2.Nxf5 gxf5 3.Qxf5+ > ³ (-0.45) depth: 6/23 00:00:06 206kN >1.Rad1 Bh6 2.b4 Kb8 3.a4 Rhe8 4.Rfe1 > ³ (-0.50) depth: 7/23 00:00:12 431kN >1.Rfd1 Bh6 2.b4 a5 3.b5 Rhe8 4.Nf1 > ³ (-0.47) depth: 7/25 00:00:14 503kN >1.Kh2 Qf6 2.Ne2 Bd6 3.Nf4 c6 4.a4 > ³ (-0.44) depth: 7/25 00:00:25 894kN >1.a4 Bh6 2.Kh2 Rhe8 3.Nxf5 Bxe3 4.Nxe3 > ³ (-0.33) depth: 7/25 00:00:27 970kN >1.a4 Bh6 2.b4 Rhe8 3.Rfe1 Kb8 4.a5 Qd6 5.Nf1 > ³ (-0.45) depth: 8/25 00:00:41 1484kN > >(Young, 9/25/99) > >New position >2kr1b1r/ppp4p/1q4p1/3p1p1b/3N4/2PQPPP1/PP1N2P1/R4RK1 w - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Fritz 5.00/16Bit: > >1.Nxf5 Qxb2 > ³ (-0.69) depth: 1/1 00:00:00 >1.Nxf5 Qxb2 > ³ (-0.69) depth: 2/2 00:00:00 >1.Nxf5 Qxb2 2.Rfb1 > ³ (-0.41) depth: 3/3 00:00:00 >1.Nxf5 Rg8 2.Rfd1 Qxb2 > ³ (-0.44) depth: 4/4 00:00:00 1kN >1.Nxf5 Kb8 2.Nd4 Qxb2 3.Rfb1 > ³ (-0.44) depth: 5/5 00:00:00 4kN >1.Nxf5 Qxb2 2.Rfb1 Qa3 3.Rb3 Qc5 > ³ (-0.41) depth: 6/6 00:00:00 19kN >1.Nxf5 gxf5 2.Qxf5+ Kb8 3.Qxh5 Qxe3+ 4.Rf2 Rg8 5.Qh4 > ³ (-0.44) depth: 7/7 00:00:01 43kN >1.Nxf5 gxf5 2.Qxf5+ Kb8 3.Rf2 Qxe3 4.Nf1 Qe8 5.Rd1 > -+ (-2.97) depth: 8/8 00:00:02 189kN >1.Qb5 > -+ (-2.94) depth: 8/21 00:00:02 421kN >1.Qb5 Qxb5 2.Nxb5 Bc5 3.Rfe1 Rhe8 4.Nd4 Bd6 5.Nf1 > µ (-1.19) depth: 8/21 00:00:02 442kN >1.Rae1 > µ (-1.16) depth: 8/23 00:00:03 786kN >1.Rae1 Kb8 2.Qb5 Qxb5 3.Nxb5 Bg7 > µ (-1.03) depth: 8/23 00:00:05 972kN >1.Rfe1 > µ (-1.00) depth: 8/26 00:00:06 1477kN >1.Rfe1 Bh6 2.c4 dxc4 3.Nxc4 Bxe3+ 4.Rxe3 Qxd4 5.Rd1 > µ (-0.91) depth: 8/26 00:00:07 1780kN >1.Rfe1 Bd6 2.Nf1 Rd7 3.Qb5 Qxb5 4.Nxb5 Bc5 5.Rad1 h6 > µ (-1.03) depth: 9/9 00:00:18 3385kN >1.b3 > µ (-1.00) depth: 9/28 00:00:22 6198kN >1.Rad1 > µ (-0.97) depth: 9/28 00:00:32 9600kN >1.a4 > µ (-0.94) depth: 9/28 00:00:40 11944kN >1.a4 Bh6 2.Rfe1 Rhe8 3.b4 Qd6 4.Nb5 Qxg3 5.Nf1 Qg5 > µ (-1.13) depth: 10/10 00:00:51 13941kN >1.Rad1 > µ (-1.09) depth: 10/29 00:00:52 17021kN >1.Rad1 Bd6 2.Nxf5 gxf5 3.Qxf5+ Kb8 4.Qxh5 Qxe3+ 5.Kh1 Bxg3 > µ (-1.03) depth: 10/30 00:00:56 17430kN >1.b3 > µ (-1.00) depth: 10/30 00:01:00 18730kN >1.Rfd1 > µ (-0.97) depth: 10/30 00:01:19 24512kN >1.Rfd1 Bh6 2.Nf1 Kb8 3.c4 Rhe8 4.cxd5 Rxd5 > µ (-0.94) depth: 10/31 00:01:22 26410kN > >(Young, 9/25/99) > >New position >2kr1b1r/ppp4p/1q4p1/3p1p1b/3N4/2PQPPP1/PP1N2P1/R4RK1 w - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Junior 5.0: > >1.Qb5 Bd6 > = (-0.23) depth: 3 00:00:00 >1.Qb5 Bh6 2.Rae1 Rhe8 > ³ (-0.45) depth: 6 00:00:01 4kN >1.c4 Qxb2 2.Ne6 Re8 3.cxd5 > = (-0.20) depth: 6 00:00:01 7kN >1.c4 Qxb2 2.Ne6 Re8 3.cxd5 > = (-0.20) depth: 6 00:00:01 11kN >1.c4 c5 2.N4b3 Qe6 3.Rae1 Be7 > ³ (-0.28) depth: 9 00:00:01 94kN >1.a4 Re8 2.Nxf5 Qe6 3.Nd4 Qxe3+ 4.Qxe3 Rxe3 > = (-0.14) depth: 9 00:00:01 192kN >1.a4 Re8 2.Nxf5 Qe6 3.Nd4 Qxe3+ 4.Qxe3 Rxe3 > = (-0.14) depth: 9 00:00:01 287kN >1.a4 Bh6 2.Kh2 Qf6 3.Nb5 a6 4.Na7+ Kb8 5.Qd4 > ³ (-0.27) depth: 12 00:00:03 1003kN >1.a4 Bh6 2.Kh2 Qf6 3.Nb5 a6 4.Na7+ Kb8 5.Qd4 > ³ (-0.27) depth: 12 00:00:13 4522kN >1.a4 Bh6 2.f4 Rhe8 3.a5 Qf6 4.a6 Qe7 5.axb7+ > ³ (-0.40) depth: 14 00:00:17 5890kN >1.a4 Bh6 2.f4 Rhe8 3.a5 Qf6 4.a6 Qe7 5.axb7+ > ³ (-0.40) depth: 14 00:01:12 24348kN >1.a4 Bh6 2.Rfe1 Rhe8 3.b4 Kb8 > ³ (-0.43) depth: 15 00:01:21 27455kN > >(Young, 9/25/99) > > >New position >2kr1b1r/ppp4p/1q4p1/3p1p1b/3N4/2PQPPP1/PP1N2P1/R4RK1 w - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Crafty 16.15: > >1.N2b3 > = (-0.16) depth: 1 00:00:00 >1.N2b3 Qd6 > ³ (-0.49) depth: 2 00:00:00 >1.N2b3 Qd6 2.Ne2 > ³ (-0.55) depth: 3 00:00:00 >1.N4b3 Qd6 2.Qd4 > ³ (-0.53) depth: 3 00:00:00 >1.Nxf5 Qxb2 2.Rfb1 > ³ (-0.52) depth: 3 00:00:00 >1.Nxf5 Qxb2 2.Rfb1 Qa3 > ³ (-0.39) depth: 4 00:00:00 >1.Nxf5 Qxb2 2.Rfb1 Qa3 3.Qd4 > ³ (-0.37) depth: 5 00:00:00 >1.Nxf5 Qxb2 2.Rfb1 Qa3 3.g4 Bxg4 4.fxg4 gxf5 5.gxf5 > ³ (-0.45) depth: 6 00:00:01 56kN >1.Nxf5 Qxb2 2.Rfb1 Qa3 3.g4 Bxg4 4.fxg4 gxf5 5.gxf5 > ³ (-0.45) depth: 7 00:00:01 121kN >1.Nxf5 gxf5 2.g4 Be8 3.Qxf5+ Rd7 4.Qe5 Bg7 5.Qh2 > -+ (-3.06) depth: 8 00:00:03 485kN >1.c4 Qxb2 2.Ne6 Bb4 3.Rad1 dxc4 4.Qxc4 Rd7 5.Nb3 > µ (-0.89) depth: 8 00:00:05 760kN >1.a4 Bh6 2.b4 Kb8 3.b5 Qd6 4.Ne2 Rhe8 > ³ (-0.64) depth: 8 00:00:08 1266kN >1.a4 Bh6 2.Rfe1 Kb8 3.a5 Qd6 4.a6 c5 5.Nb5 > ³ (-0.51) depth: 9 00:00:18 3060kN >1.a4 Bh6 2.Rf2 Rhe8 3.Nf1 Kb8 4.a5 Qd6 5.a6 c5 > µ (-0.73) depth: 10 00:00:34 5971kN >1.Rfd1 Bh6 2.Nf1 Kb8 3.b4 Qd6 4.a4 Rhe8 5.b5 Bg5 > ³ (-0.66) depth: 10 00:00:58 10321kN > >(Young, 9/25/99)
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