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Subject: Re: Ply Depth in relation to playing strength

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 15:11:50 09/30/99

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On September 30, 1999 at 12:55:40, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On September 30, 1999 at 10:17:11, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>
>>On September 30, 1999 at 02:43:32, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>>
>>>On September 29, 1999 at 19:43:43, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 29, 1999 at 19:21:08, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Doesn't Rebel not use null-move?
>>>>>
>>>>>Jeremiah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>without the contraction:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"does not Rebel not use null-move?"
>>>>
>>>>Damned if I know, as I can't parse that.  :)
>>>>
>>>>But I do get your point... :)
>>>>
>>>>Bob
>>>
>>>:)
>>>I originally intended to write something along the lines of "I don't think Rebel
>>>uses null-move."  I figured a question would be better, since I wasn't sure, but
>>>I couldn't figure out how to phrase it correctly.  :P
>>>I revise:  "I think Rebel doesn't use null-move.  True?" :))
>>>
>>>Jeremiah
>>
>>Ed has said here in the past that he doesn't use null-move.
>>
>>I think this was distinct from "doesn't use the null-move in the same way as
>>e.g. Crafty does".
>>
>>Dave
>
>
>No idea.  Hiarcs doesn't use null-move like I do, but it definitely suffers from
>problems with the "null-move observation" being used in some way.  Ed has said
>he does some threat extensions...  they probably use the "null move observation"
>as well..  in some fashion...

No null-move in Rebel. Rebel's evaluation function is much to slow
for null-move. Besides of that my evaluation function provides me
so much data I don't need null-move.

I tried null-move once and it gave me a speed-loss of 25%.

Ed



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