Author: Micheal Cummings
Date: 19:11:04 10/14/99
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On October 14, 1999 at 09:46:00, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On October 13, 1999 at 22:54:20, Micheal Cummings wrote: > >>On October 13, 1999 at 20:38:19, Jeremiah Penery wrote: >> >>>On October 13, 1999 at 20:25:18, Wayne Lowrance wrote: >>> >>>>On October 13, 1999 at 18:07:12, Fernando Villegas wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hi: >>>>>The long, long thread about Rebel and DB Jr remember me a more practical issue; >>>>>the father of DB said it was going to push a commercial operation to put in the >>>>>market a card version of DB, that is to say, something altoguether different to >>>>>the real, kasparov-killer thing, but anyway stronger han the poor mutilated >>>>>thing Rebel beated so easily. Anybody here know something about the current >>>>>status of hat proyect? >>>>>fernando >>>> >>>>All hype, It is never gonna happen, trust me ! To many problems. Hardware, Ibm, >>>>Cost etc. They talk of speed performance not achievable. Development cost ? who >>>>is going to pay for it ? You think they can get it back at $200 per board even >>>>if they could produce it at that price which is very unrealistic. The market to >>>>recoup the investment is not nearly large enough to compensate for the capital >>>>outlay. >>>> >>>>In other words, it is a pipe dream. >>> >>>Do you have any real information on this, or are you just making conjectures >>>based on opinion? >>> >>>Jeremiah >> >>I agree with Wayne, and I even stated all this when it first came up. Of coarse >>proof at this time cannot be gained. But when you think about what is on the >>market and what it takes and the price they quoted, then apart from Hsu and Bob >>Hyatt who said back then to one of my posts that is could happen due to some >>cheap chip making method then he has his point of view. >> >>I just find it hard how DB required all these chips and this super computer to >>beat a crappy Kasparov on the day, and that all this will still be capable with >>just one small chip selling for less than the Novag Sapphire which is the top of >>the line protable. >> >>I say you will still be hearing this kind of story in the years to come. I think >>it will happen one day and that Hsu and IBM will NOT be the ones to do it when >>it finally arrives. >> >>DB will never play a high profile match again simply due to the fact that after >>all this time since beating Kasparov that if they played and lost then it would >>show what I have suspected with them, that they have made little improvement in >>their chess hardware and that their ideas about improving chess have dried up. >> >>Bob Hyatt said to me that DB is still around and that I should not believe what >>I read when people say it has been pulled apart. Goes to prove my point that >>beating Kasparov and disappearing was a hit and run tactic and now they can sit >>around for a few years and fool people into thinking they are improving their >>chess when they are just playing the market with all these statements about >>dominating computer chess and killing off GM with this little machine. >> >>What better way that for people to think them winners instead of losers if they >>were still using DB and losing to GM's. >> >>Hsu may have created a powerful chess machine, but that is dead and buried and >>all these statements he makes mean nothing unless he backs it up. And comments >>that "he usually does" and the such mean absolutely nothing to me unless they do >>it. I want action not words. I along with anyone can blow hot air. As do many >>who have reached the top and blow hot air cause they want to remain there when >>in fact they have nothing. > > >I suggest that you keep posting this kind of nonsense. Then (a) we will _never_ >have anyone like Hsu posting here; (b) he may well say "to hell with it" and >not worry about trying to deliver something that would really be remarkable. > >Hsu is no different than the rest of us in that regard. Continually address >those kinds of comments to me and I won't be here long either. You seem to >think that people like Hsu owe _you_ something. You have that backward. I want nothing to do with Hsu in anyway, shape or form. I just find it unaccpetable that after beating kasparov they decide to retire on top. They played a Kasparov who played some of the worst chess I have seem in a few games. They do not deserve to go out on top. Because it gives the impression that they are the best in the world at chess. And that is FALSE. And that is what I a pissed off with. Someone who spends forever trying to beat someone and when they finally do it for whatever reason they run away yelling, I am No1, what CRAP !!!! I have no time for people like that, I am not saying DB is a piece of crap or DB Jr from what I hear is also strong. But I do not like the actions nor the people behind DB. And if this machine is still around, and as I think you said in some other post, that vanishing was alway for advertising. If they really cared about chess then if this machine is still around I would be using, then if it is so strong then they could develope it more and try to get funding. As for Hsu posting on here, if he did, you would not see me post any replies to him. He could post all he wants, I am giving my opinion to this and I would only post a reply if that is what he was asking for. I am not going to go searching the net for imformation on DB or this guy, and as for those plublications or internet sites names you gave saying this is where the information was shown, well I have no idea what you are talking about. I live in Australia and chess publications are very little. All my info comes from the net mainly in chess. To me that name you gave me means very little I have never seen nor heard of it. And I will still not change my view from that unless I see it I do not believe it, and I will give my opinion on what I think untill I am proved wrong. I read so many rubbish articles in papers and magazines and on the net and newspapers and TV. When in most countries you hear that 75% of what you read in newpapers and especially tabliod magazines have been altered, fabricated, or just plain got wrong, you can forgive me from being sceptical. It not the first time someone high profile or a high profile toipic has been changed or added to to progress the interest. I am still waiting for many things to come true after reading and seeing stated in science magazines that they could do this and that. Even now 10 years later.
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