Computer Chess Club Archives


Search

Terms

Messages

Subject: Re: Mathematical limit forced by K. D. 's position vice. Any formal proofs?

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 12:36:01 10/22/99

Go up one level in this thread


On October 22, 1999 at 13:43:47, KarinsDad wrote:
>Of course.
>
>However, you already have real, provable limits which are no different than mine
>with the exception of magnitude.
>
>  1 side to move
> 64 bitboard
>128 4 bits per piece/state
>
>= 193 bits
Not terribly interesting.  That implies:
1.25542e58 as a limit to the board positions.
Though I have seen higher limits than this, I have often seen 10^50th as an
estimate to the number of board positions.  Since this number is 100 million
times as large, it's not exactly exciting.

>And, of course, there are other well known algorithms that can get you lower
>(your 179 algorithm for example).
>
>I think without some form of "super super" computer to calculate them all, we
>will never know the exact number and if you read that AI article that was posted
>last week, you may not want to have "super super" computers around.
The 161 bits is interesting because 10^42 has been conjectured, and 10^50th is
now blown out of the water.  This is a proof that it is no larger than ~10^42.
I have never seen such a proof before.  Every bit reduced cuts in half the
number of possibilities.  That's a lot of information!



This page took 0 seconds to execute

Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700

Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.