Author: KarinsDad
Date: 09:57:31 11/03/99
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On November 03, 1999 at 08:47:58, Amir Ban wrote: >On November 02, 1999 at 22:50:36, KarinsDad wrote: > >>On November 02, 1999 at 19:00:49, Amir Ban wrote: >> > >This is a nice grotesque aftermath to this business. The moderators have finally >decided to do some public moderation, and have found just the right timing, >place, target and tone for this. Yes, you caught me at the worst time of the year. I apologize for the tone. I politely asked you and Robert to knock it off via Email (after Bruce and Dann asked a bunch of people to knock it off here on the forum). Robert complied. You wrote a two page essay on "the facts". Guess who I responded to? > >I think you did a bad job at moderating this. By CCC standards, this was not >that bad, we've seen much worse. You could have aborted it before it reached its >peak, and without stepping on too many toes. We tried to put the brakes on. People ignored us. What is the most annoying is that there were literally hundreds of posts that this crap was hidden within and you were the only person to indicate an actual posting number within an Email to the moderators (after Bruce responded back asking which post you were refering to). Note: Michael Cummings was considerate enough to Email us concerning one of Robert's messages (he forgot to give us a posting number, but did give us the message), but the message wasn't outside the charter, so there wasn't much we could do about it. We realized that it might cause a controversy, but it was just an arrogant message and not an abusive one. I have to say that if the members of the forum cannot be considerate enough to at least let us know which posts are the offensive and abusive ones (and some members do take the time out to do that), they have little reason to complain about our moderation style. Do you know how long it takes to wade through 300 posts from the last 8 days? > >I told you in email: "To every action there's an equal and opposite reaction". >When Bob went into high gear, I was silent for a while, and you chose to keep >your silence. In these circumstances, it was to be expected that others like >Christophe would jump in, and indeed Christophe has since been busy explaining >that he's not Muhammad Ali and was just responding to intense and unanswered >provocation. If not Christophe, there would have been someone else (there were >others in fact). > >I think you made errors in applying the rules too, like the claim that no >offenses to the charter took place The example that you Emailed us seemed to have offenses in both directions, so I asked you both to cool it. Thanks for ignoring me. does not seem correct to me, and I'm still >amazed at your ruling that the falsified quote is not an offense. If at least >you had bent the rules to keep peace and harmony, this may have been understood. >As it is, you achieved neither. And you are now busy fighting off accusations of >favoritism (which did not come from me). True. However, you made at least two claims of us going on vacation (i.e. not doing our job), a similar statement to favoritism (i.e. both question our integrity). Regardless of whether you were joking, it wasn't the proper time. > > >>[snip] >>> >>>At this occasion I complained to the moderators, since I thought this is >>>definitely OUT. To my surprise, the moderators found that this is a bad quote >>>indeed, but argued that it was true IN SPIRIT, or alternatively, that it was a >>>well-intentioned mistake on Bob's part. They didn't find any offense. >> >>No, I find offense with you dragging this out as if it was a murder trial. You >>have made insinuations on Robert just like he has made insinuations on you. >>Neither of you are blameless, but you continue to drag it on and on and on. >> > >Yes. I'm starting to get the idea that the real injured party here are the >moderators. > >Understand this: Being a CCC moderator means being able to take heat. I was a >moderator in a period much more difficult than the present, and I've never had a >job where I had to take so much abuse from so many angles. It's part of the job, >and you are supposed to keep a business-like, even friendly, tone at all times. > >Your "can you spell hyprocrite ?", I'm not sure who it is directed against (me ? >but it seems directed at a whole crowd), but wins my award of Worst Public >Performance by a CCC Moderator. Fine. It was not a diplomatic statement. Like I said before, this caught me on the worst week of the year. Not an excuse, but the reason. I'm surprised I was so mild and didn't take your head off. ;) > >Look, when I ask if you are on vacation, I'm using the lightest and friendliest >tone I can think of to express my frustration at your absence. If you found that >offensive then: > >1. I apologize. >2. Consider quitting, as this job may not be for you. I didn't find it particularly offensive. I assumed you meant it as a joke. I also noticed that you said it multiple times a few days before you got around to Emailing the moderators. We are not clairvoyant, nor can we read all posts. I was glad that someone finally indicated a post number. It's unfortunate that I saw that portion of the thread that the post referred to just as jabbling as the response. That's how it goes sometimes. Things are not always clear cut, so when that's the way I see it, I ask both parties to cool it, regardless of who is at fault. You and I can disagree on that. That's fine. But could we please just drop it now? Ok? Let's get back to computer chess. KarinsDad :)
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