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Subject: Re: ICC Championship, who participate?

Author: Peter McKenzie

Date: 13:46:10 11/16/99

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On November 16, 1999 at 12:37:51, Brian Richardson wrote:

>On November 16, 1999 at 08:16:03, Inmann Werner wrote:
>
>>Hello
>>
>>I did not write much in the thread about the tournament, cause there are so "big
>>names" in. Clear, that it is most interesting to have the most strong programs
>>at the tournament. :-)
>>
>>Question:
>>Who is allowed to participate?
>>Should it only be a tourney of the "big ones" (above 2600 ELO) or are also some
>>amateurs with about 2400 ELO, or maybe als 2200 ELO programs allowed and wanted.
>>
>>I would be really interested to join the tourney, as it will be the first one
>>for me. My program often plays at "Winboard Tournaments", but never at a real
>>one. ELO might by slightly under 2400.
>>But the question is not!! only of my engine....
>>
>
>Just an idea, but how about two groups, say A and B.  A would be all "known" or
>established programs, and B would be for "unknown" or first timers?


Are you talking about running 2 separate tournaments?  The problem with that
sort of splitting up of the field is that there are always arguments about which
group a particular program should go into.  I wouldn't want to prevent anyone
from having a chance of winning the whole deal.  These days some of the new
programs are quite strong, although they might not have played in any
tournaments before.  Also, some of the weaker programs want a chance to test
themselves against the 'big boys' - everyone loves the odd upset!

The beauty of the Swiss Pairing System is that it handles a these issues quite
nicely.  After a few rounds, the lower programs tend to fight it out at the
bottom of the draw and the top programs tend to play each other just like the 2
groups scenario.  The advantage of course being the extra flexibility for well
performing 'lower' programs to sneak up into the top group and vice versa.

If there are prizes, then I'm all for some sort of 'group B' prize for the
amateur or first timer with the highest score but lets keep it simple and have a
single Swiss Tourny.

>
>That way the two groups might have some more reasonable expectations to be worth
>the time (speaking as a Group Ber)
>
>>IMHO, some others are also interested in this issue.
>>If you allow "everybody" to join, this can become a really big tourney, and that
>>with only 8 rounds....
>>
>>Werner
>>
>>Hope of a free discussion about this.



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