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Subject: Re: New SSDF list

Author: blass uri

Date: 01:22:47 11/28/99

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On November 27, 1999 at 22:17:44, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On November 27, 1999 at 19:00:58, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>
>>On November 27, 1999 at 17:27:50, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On November 27, 1999 at 16:07:31, Amir Ban wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 27, 1999 at 09:21:09, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 27, 1999 at 03:56:28, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I just got it. My congratulations to Christophe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Enrique
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Just remember that this is a very 'special case'.  CT isn't available to
>>>>>anyone, so the other commercials can't start their auto232 marathons to
>>>>>discover the 'holes' is must have.  I think it is a lot easier to reach
>>>>>#1 if no one can test against you...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Nothing special about this case. Every SSDF leader in the last three years got
>>>>there as a newly released program.
>>>>
>>>>Amir
>>>
>>>
>>>Actually you are probably 100% correct.  The 'last released' is generally the
>>>best.
>>
>>In February '98,  Fritz made it to the top of the SSDF list. From that moment
>>on, Mchess 8, Hiarcs 7 and 7.32, Junior 5 and Nimzo 99 and 7.32 came to life and
>>didn't reach the top. Being new and tuning is not enough. It takes more than
>>that, and Tiger has it.
>>
>>>  Not that it really means a whole lot...  be interesting to study some of
>>>the games to see how much the book helped, how much tuning helped, etc...
>>>
>>>The point of my comment is that until others can test against Tiger to see what
>>>it is doing, it will probably stay at the top.  Once it is "out" everyone will
>>>catch on pretty quickly...
>>
>>Try...
>>
>>Enrique
>
>
>Wait until it starts playing on a server.  I'll tell you what its weaknesses
>are...  I can already tell you who knows nothing about king safety.  Who doesn't
>know about outside passed pawns.  Who doesn't know about pawn majorities.  Who
>over-values passed pawns and makes mistakes as a result.  I can tell you what I
>don't do very well either...
>
>All it takes is games...

There are public games from the ssdf games so you can look at them and see.
christophe knows that tiger is not close to be perfect and he has a lot to fix
so I do not think that knowing the problems of tiger it is going to help other
programs to be number 1 because it takes time to fix your program and the next
version of tiger is going to be better than them.

Uri



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