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Subject: Re: New SSDF list

Author: Dave Gomboc

Date: 02:27:27 11/28/99

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On November 28, 1999 at 04:22:47, blass uri wrote:

>On November 27, 1999 at 22:17:44, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On November 27, 1999 at 19:00:58, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>
>>>On November 27, 1999 at 17:27:50, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 27, 1999 at 16:07:31, Amir Ban wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 27, 1999 at 09:21:09, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On November 27, 1999 at 03:56:28, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I just got it. My congratulations to Christophe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Enrique
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just remember that this is a very 'special case'.  CT isn't available to
>>>>>>anyone, so the other commercials can't start their auto232 marathons to
>>>>>>discover the 'holes' is must have.  I think it is a lot easier to reach
>>>>>>#1 if no one can test against you...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Nothing special about this case. Every SSDF leader in the last three years got
>>>>>there as a newly released program.
>>>>>
>>>>>Amir
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Actually you are probably 100% correct.  The 'last released' is generally the
>>>>best.
>>>
>>>In February '98,  Fritz made it to the top of the SSDF list. From that moment
>>>on, Mchess 8, Hiarcs 7 and 7.32, Junior 5 and Nimzo 99 and 7.32 came to life and
>>>didn't reach the top. Being new and tuning is not enough. It takes more than
>>>that, and Tiger has it.
>>>
>>>>  Not that it really means a whole lot...  be interesting to study some of
>>>>the games to see how much the book helped, how much tuning helped, etc...
>>>>
>>>>The point of my comment is that until others can test against Tiger to see what
>>>>it is doing, it will probably stay at the top.  Once it is "out" everyone will
>>>>catch on pretty quickly...
>>>
>>>Try...
>>>
>>>Enrique
>>
>>
>>Wait until it starts playing on a server.  I'll tell you what its weaknesses
>>are...  I can already tell you who knows nothing about king safety.  Who doesn't
>>know about outside passed pawns.  Who doesn't know about pawn majorities.  Who
>>over-values passed pawns and makes mistakes as a result.  I can tell you what I
>>don't do very well either...
>>
>>All it takes is games...
>
>There are public games from the ssdf games so you can look at them and see.
>christophe knows that tiger is not close to be perfect and he has a lot to fix
>so I do not think that knowing the problems of tiger it is going to help other
>programs to be number 1 because it takes time to fix your program and the next
>version of tiger is going to be better than them.
>
>Uri

I suspect it is easier to catch up than to forge ahead.

Dave



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