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Subject: Re: New SSDF list

Author: Wayne Lowrance

Date: 14:15:53 11/28/99

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On November 28, 1999 at 09:59:01, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On November 28, 1999 at 01:03:31, Wayne Lowrance wrote:
>
>>On November 27, 1999 at 22:17:44, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On November 27, 1999 at 19:00:58, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 27, 1999 at 17:27:50, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 27, 1999 at 16:07:31, Amir Ban wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On November 27, 1999 at 09:21:09, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On November 27, 1999 at 03:56:28, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I just got it. My congratulations to Christophe.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Enrique
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Just remember that this is a very 'special case'.  CT isn't available to
>>>>>>>anyone, so the other commercials can't start their auto232 marathons to
>>>>>>>discover the 'holes' is must have.  I think it is a lot easier to reach
>>>>>>>#1 if no one can test against you...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nothing special about this case. Every SSDF leader in the last three years got
>>>>>>there as a newly released program.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Amir
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Actually you are probably 100% correct.  The 'last released' is generally the
>>>>>best.
>>>>
>>>>In February '98,  Fritz made it to the top of the SSDF list. From that moment
>>>>on, Mchess 8, Hiarcs 7 and 7.32, Junior 5 and Nimzo 99 and 7.32 came to life and
>>>>didn't reach the top. Being new and tuning is not enough. It takes more than
>>>>that, and Tiger has it.
>>>>
>>>>>  Not that it really means a whole lot...  be interesting to study some of
>>>>>the games to see how much the book helped, how much tuning helped, etc...
>>>>>
>>>>>The point of my comment is that until others can test against Tiger to see what
>>>>>it is doing, it will probably stay at the top.  Once it is "out" everyone will
>>>>>catch on pretty quickly...
>>>>
>>>>Try...
>>>>
>>>>Enrique
>>>
>>>
>>>Wait until it starts playing on a server.  I'll tell you what its weaknesses
>>>are...  I can already tell you who knows nothing about king safety.  Who doesn't
>>>know about outside passed pawns.  Who doesn't know about pawn majorities.  Who
>>>over-values passed pawns and makes mistakes as a result.  I can tell you what I
>>>don't do very well either...
>>>
>>>All it takes is games...
>>
>>
>>
>>ahhhhh Bob, please tell us here, we would love to hear about the details !
>>
>>Wayne
>
>
>Here I adopt the same philosophy as Hsu.  Why should I tell anyone how to fix
>their program and make it stronger?  (except for amateurs of course).
>
>:)
>
>If you are a decent chess player, you can play over games and discover these
>things yourself.  Some are very obvious.  Some aren't...

OK, thanks, fair enough ! I am a decent chess player but I Was just interested
in details of what you said. I understand your positions.

Wayne




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