Author: James Robertson
Date: 17:31:56 12/06/99
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On December 06, 1999 at 08:59:23, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On December 06, 1999 at 02:26:00, Bertil Eklund wrote: > >>On December 05, 1999 at 18:32:19, James Robertson wrote: >> >>>On December 05, 1999 at 05:06:57, Bertil Eklund wrote: >>> >>>[snip] >>>>If your program can play for about 2500 in match-play it should probably play >>>>about 2600 in tournaments and this is the usual way to achieve an established >>>>rating. Humans play probably around 75-125 elo lower during a tournament, >>> >>>There is no way to see if humans are playing 75-125 ELO lower in a tournament >>>because you can't play a tournament and a match at the same time and compare the >>>results. Humans may get tired after 7 rounds, but then they would get tired in a >>>match too. DB-Kasparov match #1 didn't seem to show this trend, though. And >>>Fritz lost more points in the last half of Frankfurt than in the first half. :) >>> >>>In other words, all this is conjecture and [maybe] wishful thinking on the part >>>of us programmers. >>> >>>James >>> >> >>Hi! >> >>Extremely strange conclusions from you, the Rebel test is so far single games >>compared to a normal tournament of say 9 to 13 rounds. It´s well known that >>players often are tired in the later rounds and sometimes do horrible mistakes. >>That´s not a big problem in the same pool of tired players but I guess it >>shouldn´t affect a program. >> >>Regards Bertil >> >> >>>>because they can´t prepare as much and are much more tired in round seven than >>>>during the first round. Increments is also a very big advantage for the human. >>>>During this Internet-play, the human have double increments because of the slow >>>>transmission of moves. If Baburin had been in the serious time-trouble (against >>>>a computer)he was, during a normal game he had probably lost. >>>> >>>>Regards Bertil >>> >>>[snip] > > >The opposite is also true. I have seen many players get _better_ as a >tournament wears on... not worse. I think that in a match vs a computer, >the computer will do worse as the match gets longer, because the opponent >will learn its weaknesses and they won't be repaired. Yes, take for example Kasparov. In his first WC match with Karpov he wrote in his book that his play had strengthened considerably after 40 games in a row.... fatigue was not an issue. James
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