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Subject: Re: Rebel Shows GM strength once AGAIN(draws Baburin)

Author: James Robertson

Date: 17:50:41 12/06/99

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On December 06, 1999 at 10:18:00, Charles Unruh wrote:

>On December 05, 1999 at 18:44:57, James Robertson wrote:
>
>>On December 04, 1999 at 16:40:02, Charles Unruh wrote:
>>
>>>How much does it take to show blind men that Comps are GM strength.  A program
>>>beats a GM, draws several more, then beats lithuanian national team, Draws a
>>>40/2 with Anand and there are people here who want to make out that it's hardly
>>>USCF master strength!!!
>>
>>Rebel must be GM strength. How else could it lose to the Lithuanian National
>>team, lose to Anand, lose to Rohde, lose to Hofman, and lose to who knows who
>>else.
>
>Oh Kasparov lost to sokolov, that must mean he's no where near to 2830 right


You have it backwards. :)) Sokolov's win, even though he did win, does not mean
he is 2830. :))


>>
>>If we just count Rebel's victories it is unquestionable super grandmaster. If we
>>count just its losses it is unquestionably 1500. Average them out, and you get
>>IM.
>
>It would be one thing if these victories where all spaced out.  However for
>rebel to get it's wins all in a short period of time decreases the odds. If a
>Human were to draw ANAND


Rebel didn't draw Anand. Rebel lost 1.5-.5. Many humans will win one game and
then draw the next just to get the day off. They still won. :)


>, beat the lithuanian nat'l team, Beat sherbakov, almost
>beat a 2593 Baburin, all in a few months


Get your calendar straight. Rebel-Anand was almost a year and a half ago. "All
in a few years" is more accurate.


>there is no way that you would be
>trying to make out that he wasn't GM strength.  You can not find an IM in the
>world that could produce the same sort of results in the same period of time!
>Do you know Anand has not drawn a player that was only IM strength in years!


Excepting Rebel, which IMs has he played in the last few years?


>Further you can't totally judge a program by results.


You mean Rebel's performance is so bad you have to say the results aren't real
just to justify them?


> Why you ask?  Becasue the
>comp doesn't know who you are. An example of what i mean is this  I have had
>several draws against Comps by 3 repetition.  The comp takes the draw because
>the position is basically equal and it doesn't KNOW that i'm not a GM.  A GM
>would break the rep, even if it was a slightly inferior move because he knows
>i'm only 2000 and he can beat me.  It's not that the comp wouldn't destroy me if
>played an alternative move to the rep, yet this would lower the rating.
>>
>>This is true for ANYBODY. Don't blindly filter out the results you don't want to
>>see and claim that you have discovered something amazing.
>
>
>I wish you would stop blindly filtering out results you don't want to see and >as


I don't. Show me the results I have filtered out. I have only an IM performance
rating of 2485 for Rebel after about a dozen games. None are left out.


>for this line "and claim that you have discovered something amazing."  I would
>imagine that their are a good number of psychiatrist in your local area you
>might want to meet with to discuss your ongoing confusion.

I take it you have experience selecting such doctors?

James



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