Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 17:11:03 12/07/99
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On December 07, 1999 at 18:55:59, Chuck wrote: >On December 07, 1999 at 16:54:15, Ricardo Gibert wrote: > >>On December 07, 1999 at 14:22:19, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On December 07, 1999 at 00:01:08, Ricardo Gibert wrote: >>> >>>>On ICC, I often see computers winning games against strong players by >>>>"unfriendly" means. Consider what happens when the position is dead drawn, >>>but the computer player does not realize this and makes an unending series of >>>>aimless moves that drains the human opponent of time on his clock. It isn't >>>any secret that computers have "faster reflexes". This is boring and inflates >>>the apparent strength of the program. >>>> >>>>I propose that computer programs should offer/accept draws when the following >>>>conditions hold: >>>> >>>>1) There have been no pawn moves or captures played by >>>> either side over the past 10 ply played. Of course >>>> the 50 move rule counter is perfect for this. >>> >>>This is total nonsense. I have seen _many_ games where no pawn move or >>>capture was played over a 5 move (10 ply) stretch. This has _nothing_ to >>>do with the game called "chess". >> >>Please explain why you consider this to be total nonsense. It is clear that >this >is reliable indicator of whether substantive change has taken place on >the >chessboard. > >I'm afraid I have to agree with Ricardo on this issue. It is certainly true that >alot of drawn games are won "inappropriately" by computers. Think for a moment >of such a game (we've all seen them) and how you'd react if you were the human >and some other human were on the other side of the board being so stupid. If it >were I, I'd be upset. I'm sure we'd have words. I don't think it's enough to >give computers the excuse that they can't recognize the draw. Our goal should be >to make them recognize the draw first. And actually, in real tournaments these >days you CAN do something about, you can claim your opponent has insufficient >winning chances. This should be implemented in programs, in some way, and it may >vary considering the program and it's eval. But it should be done, 1st because >it's not really fair or right, but even moreso, because it's really poor >etiquette. > >And as far as the game of chess goes, when I start a game, I expect both myself >and my opponent to obey certain rules of etiquette. And this includes your opponent looking over at the clock and saying "Hmmm... I have 4 minutes left, my opponent has 15 seconds left, I suppose I ought to offer him a draw..." That's never happened in any fast game _I_ have ever played, on a server or at a club... You get that far behind, you lose...
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