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Subject: Re: Challenge to Deep Blue and any deepsearching prog

Author: Joe Pechie

Date: 18:41:18 12/07/99

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On December 07, 1999 at 19:44:35, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>Hello to All studiers of the game of chess with a program,
>
>Here a cool study which has next problems
>  - some zugzwangs (black getting forced to move the queen)
>  - the line(s) that win for white are forced till the end (singular)
>
>7k/2q3pP/6P1/8/8/8/6Pp/2RR3K/w - -
>
>black timeleft=666:40.00.00
> - = - = - = - k   ...       1    ...
> = - q - = - o O   ...       2    ...
> - = - = - = O =   ...       3    ...
> = - = - = - = -   ...       4    ...
> - = - = - = - =   ...       5    ...
> = - = - = - = -   ...       6    ...
> - = - = - = O o   ...       7    ...
> = - R R = - = K   ...       8    ...
>white timeleft=666:40.00.00
>white to move
>
>I estimated that for a program doing checks in qsearch
>and NOT having any extension and not having hashtable luck
>the solution is 22 ply to see. 23 ply otherwise.
>
>the solution is not found yet by my program (running
>at a dual celeron 550 with 300mb hash now under linux of
>cuz), as it's PVs are crap so far and it gives black the
>chance to sac queen somewhere near end of pv.
>
>I'm not a dreamer so i'm not gonna ask for an output
>of deep blue junior, but i love to see whether other
>progs make a chance here.
>
>It's adviced to use KRPKP and KPKP KPK
>egtb at least for this position, that should produce when
>seeing the good lines a score at HUGE depths of mate in XXX
>or something of over +15.0
>
>I'm not using them with diep here, so perhaps diep never finds it...
>...i just pray for transposition luck right now... ...right now
>score is +7.7 which is by accident also the score for KRP KP here
>but i guess it didn't see it yet.
>
>Vincent
 It took 9 minutes of searching with junior 5.0 and a 233mhz pent to find rc4 at
depth-19. Will let it chug away on this one for a while
Joe



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