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Subject: Re: SSDF Rating Irregularities

Author: Dave Gomboc

Date: 01:20:09 12/13/99

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On December 12, 1999 at 09:08:34, James T. Walker wrote:

>On December 11, 1999 at 23:07:48, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On December 11, 1999 at 14:19:36, James T. Walker wrote:
>>
>>>On December 11, 1999 at 01:03:58, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 10, 1999 at 18:27:51, Len Eisner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 09, 1999 at 22:58:28, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On December 09, 1999 at 22:11:00, Len Eisner wrote:
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>>CRA _never_ used tournament time controls.  They played game/60 time controls.
>>>>It was a _huge_ controversy at the time, where everyone felt that the USCF did
>>>>this to inflate the ratings a bit.  This made the manufacturers happy since the
>>>>CRA rating was always published on the outside of the packaging.  I can
>>>>guarantee you that the Mach III was _not_ a 2265 player at 40/2.  I have one
>>>>in my office.  The mach IV was somewhat faster but was _not_ 2300+ at 40/2.
>>>>They were good.  But not that good.  I learned to thrash my Mach III pretty
>>>>regularly, so long as I avoided games so fast that tactics were overlooked by
>>>>human frailty.  :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Both were tactically not bad... but positionally they had problems, and the
>>>>endgame was horrible compared to today's programs...  No clue about outside
>>>>passed pawns, or majorities...  or king safety...  Once you learned the
>>>>Stonewall as white, you wouldn't lose against them again with white...
>>>
>>>Hello Bob,
>>>I guess we will have to agree to disagree.  My memory is not good these days and
>>>when I left Japan I threw away 15 years of Chess Life magazines because of the
>>>extra weight in my shipping allowance so I cannot prove what I remember.  I
>>>believe the Fidelity Mach 3 & Mach 4 machines were rated in a very large
>>>tournament of 4 or 5 rounds.  Fidelity provided the necessary number of machines
>>>to make 40 games and thus get a rating (8 machines for 5 rounds?).  They were
>>>both awarded the USCF Master title for their performances of 2325 & 2265.  This
>>>was printed on the box as I remember and a Certificate came with each machine
>>>showing it was the first micro to be awarded the Master title by the USCF.
>>>This was tournament time controls in a real tournament I think, not a CRA
>>>created "Test".
>>>Jim Walker
>>
>>Here is what used to happen.  A commercial company would enter _multiple_
>>machines in something like the US Open.  If they entered 4, it is very likely
>>that one would produce a TPR significantly above 'reality'. That TPR would
>>then be prominently displayed on the box.  USCF decided that this was helping
>>commercial sales, and saw how _they_ could benefit.  They stopped allowing
>>commercial programs to enter USCF rated events and then using the rating or
>>results for advertising.  Instead, they started the CRA (Computer Rating Agency)
>>to rate programs.  For a fee.  A significant fee.  Then a commercial company
>>submitted a program and USCF played it against many players to get a pretty
>>reasonable rating. However, rather than rating at 40/2, they chose action chess
>>(game/60).  It caused a lot of complaints, but it was probably done to make the
>>ratings _higher_ than they should have been.  The manufacturers got ever-
>>increasing ratings, USCF was raking in money hand over fist...
>>
>>I don't know whether the CRA exists any longer, but Crafty is a USCF member,
>>and before it was allowed to join, I had to agree to several USCF requirements,
>>one being absolutely no advertising based on results obtained in USCF events.
>
>
>Hello Bob,
>All of that sounds correct.  The only thing is, I believe the Fidelity machines
>(Mach3/4) were the last ones to play in the US Open before the CRA was invented.
> I still believe they played the correct number of machines needed to get 40
>games each in the tournament and that's how they achieved their ratings.  As I
>remember almost all of the games were against experts/masters.  I rember a write
>up in one of the magazines, maybe Chess Life in which the author covered some of
>the games and stated in his opinion the Mach 3 was lucky to achieve it's rating
>of 2265 but he felt the 2325 earned by the Mach 4 was about right. :-)  With a
>2:1 speed difference it would seem that they both hit the mark pretty close.(60
>points difference for 2:1)
>Jim Walker

Yeah... my recollection was that the ratings for these two machines were based
on 48 games.  (I own a Mach III Master... the Designer 2265 version.  It hasn't
worked for years, though.  Still, one day, I might try to fix it! :-)  Anyway,
it was quite a long time ago, and my recollection is pretty vague, so I could be
completely off the mark.

Dave



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