Author: John Warfield
Date: 19:22:58 01/06/00
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On January 05, 2000 at 22:38:57, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On January 05, 2000 at 18:34:15, John Warfield wrote: > >>On January 05, 2000 at 14:37:21, Ed Schröder wrote: >> >>>>Posted by Chris Carson on January 05, 2000 at 14:08:39: >>> >>>>>I say amen to that. How can anybody believe nowadays chess programs can >>>>>compete with players like: >>>>> >>>>>6 2209390 Shirov, Alexei 2722 ESP g 13 >>>>>7 2000024 Kamsky, Gata 2720 USA g 0 >>>>>8 2805677 Gelfand, Boris 2713 ISR g 24 >>>>>9 4100026 Karpov, Anatoly 2709 RUS g 9 >>>>>10 400041 Adams, Michael 2705 ENG g 48 >>>>>11 14100010 Ivanchuk, Vassily 2702 UKR g 27 >>>>>12 703303 Leko, Peter 2699 HUN g 14 >>>>>13 2900084 Topalov, Veselin 2695 BUL g 36 >>>>> >>>>>on 40/2? >>>>> >>>>>Maybe they can on 30/all but 40/2? >>>>> >>>>>Ed >>>> >>>>Ed, >>>> >>>>Compete yes, win most of the time no. I would expect close >>>>competition between top 5 programs and this list (PCA ratings): >>>> >>>>45. Smirin,Ilia ISR 2599 182 >>>>46. Kasimdzhanov,Rustam UZB 2599 174 >>>>47. Khenkin,Igor RUS 2598 193 >>>>48. Lautier,Joel FRA 2596 157 >>>>49. Kharlov,Andrei RUS 2596 170 >>>>50. Magerramov,Elmar AZE 2595 187 >>>>51. Piket,Jeroen NED 2595 153 >>>>52. Bologan,Viorel MDA 2594 199 >>>> >>>>See my other post. I would expect the top 5 programs to score >>>>2519 or better (in tournament, not match play). Note: That is >>> >>>Hi Chris, >>> >>>IMO 2519 would be a terrific result for every chess program on 40/2. >>> >>>>still a loosing record, but very competitive! :) >>> >>>Right. >>> >>>>Just my opinion. :) >>> >>>Appreciated. >>> >>>Advice: go and play 10-20 games against GM's and then after each game they >>>will tell you a) what you did wrong, b) what they could have done better. >>>After they are finished with you you feel like the stupidest chess player >>>in the whole universe. Not very encouraging for men's ego :-) >>> >>>At AEGON I felt many times this way and concluded Rebel would never play >>>on GM level. I start doubting after DB defeated Kasparov and Rebel's 40/2 >>>games against Anand. I hesitated a lot starting the GM challenge but I was >>>too curious to let it pass. >>> >>>>Oh, great matches you have been putting on. I hope only the >>>>best for the great programs Rebel and Tiger. :) >>> >>>Tiger will have its baptism in the third Lithuania - Rebel event. >>> >>>Ed >>> >> >>Ed sometimes I wonder about your alleged Modesty, After the enormous success you >>have had at Aegon and other places, even drawing Annand, it's hard to believe >>you could be so skeptical of the Programs abilities. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >I find this entire discussion extremely funny. > >The _programmers_ say the programs are _not_ 2600 players. The non-programmers >claim they are. Who would you suppose has the best perspective to make that >judgement? > >:) > >IE find _any_ programmer here that would say his program is a 2600 level player >if it was playing in FIDE rated events. Find one. even one-half of one. :) Well I don't think programs are 2600 myself, but I do believe it is not unreasonable to say they are between 2500-2550.
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