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Subject: Re: Poll Question - Tournaments vs Matches

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 19:38:57 01/05/00

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On January 05, 2000 at 18:34:15, John Warfield wrote:

>On January 05, 2000 at 14:37:21, Ed Schröder wrote:
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>>>Posted by Chris Carson on January 05, 2000 at 14:08:39:
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>>>>I say amen to that. How can anybody believe nowadays chess programs can
>>>>compete with players like:
>>>>
>>>>6 2209390 Shirov, Alexei  2722 ESP g  13
>>>>7 2000024 Kamsky, Gata  2720 USA g  0
>>>>8 2805677 Gelfand, Boris  2713 ISR g  24
>>>>9 4100026 Karpov, Anatoly  2709 RUS g  9
>>>>10 400041 Adams, Michael  2705 ENG g  48
>>>>11 14100010 Ivanchuk, Vassily  2702 UKR g  27
>>>>12 703303 Leko, Peter  2699 HUN g  14
>>>>13 2900084 Topalov, Veselin  2695 BUL g  36
>>>>
>>>>on 40/2?
>>>>
>>>>Maybe they can on 30/all but 40/2?
>>>>
>>>>Ed
>>>
>>>Ed,
>>>
>>>Compete yes, win most of the time no.  I would expect close
>>>competition between top 5 programs and this list (PCA ratings):
>>>
>>>45. Smirin,Ilia             ISR     2599    182
>>>46. Kasimdzhanov,Rustam     UZB     2599    174
>>>47. Khenkin,Igor            RUS     2598    193
>>>48. Lautier,Joel            FRA     2596    157
>>>49. Kharlov,Andrei          RUS     2596    170
>>>50. Magerramov,Elmar        AZE     2595    187
>>>51. Piket,Jeroen            NED     2595    153
>>>52. Bologan,Viorel          MDA     2594    199
>>>
>>>See my other post.  I would expect the top 5 programs to score
>>>2519 or better (in tournament, not match play).  Note: That is
>>
>>Hi Chris,
>>
>>IMO 2519 would be a terrific result for every chess program on 40/2.
>>
>>>still a loosing record, but very competitive!  :)
>>
>>Right.
>>
>>>Just my opinion.  :)
>>
>>Appreciated.
>>
>>Advice: go and play 10-20 games against GM's and then after each game they
>>will tell you a) what you did wrong, b) what they could have done better.
>>After they are finished with you you feel like the stupidest chess player
>>in the whole universe. Not very encouraging for men's ego :-)
>>
>>At AEGON I felt many times this way and concluded Rebel would never play
>>on GM level. I start doubting after DB defeated Kasparov and Rebel's 40/2
>>games against Anand. I hesitated a lot starting the GM challenge but I was
>>too curious to let it pass.
>>
>>>Oh, great matches you have been putting on.  I hope only the
>>>best for the great programs Rebel and Tiger.  :)
>>
>>Tiger will have its baptism in the third Lithuania - Rebel event.
>>
>>Ed
>>
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>Ed sometimes I wonder about your alleged Modesty, After the enormous success you
>have had at Aegon and other places, even drawing Annand, it's hard to believe
>you could be so skeptical of the Programs abilities.
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I find this entire discussion extremely funny.

The _programmers_ say the programs are _not_ 2600 players.  The non-programmers
claim they are.  Who would you suppose has the best perspective to make that
judgement?

:)

IE find _any_ programmer here that would say his program is a 2600 level player
if it was playing in FIDE rated events.  Find one.  even one-half of one.  :)




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