Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:38:57 01/05/00
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On January 05, 2000 at 18:34:15, John Warfield wrote: >On January 05, 2000 at 14:37:21, Ed Schröder wrote: > >>>Posted by Chris Carson on January 05, 2000 at 14:08:39: >> >>>>I say amen to that. How can anybody believe nowadays chess programs can >>>>compete with players like: >>>> >>>>6 2209390 Shirov, Alexei 2722 ESP g 13 >>>>7 2000024 Kamsky, Gata 2720 USA g 0 >>>>8 2805677 Gelfand, Boris 2713 ISR g 24 >>>>9 4100026 Karpov, Anatoly 2709 RUS g 9 >>>>10 400041 Adams, Michael 2705 ENG g 48 >>>>11 14100010 Ivanchuk, Vassily 2702 UKR g 27 >>>>12 703303 Leko, Peter 2699 HUN g 14 >>>>13 2900084 Topalov, Veselin 2695 BUL g 36 >>>> >>>>on 40/2? >>>> >>>>Maybe they can on 30/all but 40/2? >>>> >>>>Ed >>> >>>Ed, >>> >>>Compete yes, win most of the time no. I would expect close >>>competition between top 5 programs and this list (PCA ratings): >>> >>>45. Smirin,Ilia ISR 2599 182 >>>46. Kasimdzhanov,Rustam UZB 2599 174 >>>47. Khenkin,Igor RUS 2598 193 >>>48. Lautier,Joel FRA 2596 157 >>>49. Kharlov,Andrei RUS 2596 170 >>>50. Magerramov,Elmar AZE 2595 187 >>>51. Piket,Jeroen NED 2595 153 >>>52. Bologan,Viorel MDA 2594 199 >>> >>>See my other post. I would expect the top 5 programs to score >>>2519 or better (in tournament, not match play). Note: That is >> >>Hi Chris, >> >>IMO 2519 would be a terrific result for every chess program on 40/2. >> >>>still a loosing record, but very competitive! :) >> >>Right. >> >>>Just my opinion. :) >> >>Appreciated. >> >>Advice: go and play 10-20 games against GM's and then after each game they >>will tell you a) what you did wrong, b) what they could have done better. >>After they are finished with you you feel like the stupidest chess player >>in the whole universe. Not very encouraging for men's ego :-) >> >>At AEGON I felt many times this way and concluded Rebel would never play >>on GM level. I start doubting after DB defeated Kasparov and Rebel's 40/2 >>games against Anand. I hesitated a lot starting the GM challenge but I was >>too curious to let it pass. >> >>>Oh, great matches you have been putting on. I hope only the >>>best for the great programs Rebel and Tiger. :) >> >>Tiger will have its baptism in the third Lithuania - Rebel event. >> >>Ed >> > >Ed sometimes I wonder about your alleged Modesty, After the enormous success you >have had at Aegon and other places, even drawing Annand, it's hard to believe >you could be so skeptical of the Programs abilities. > > > > > > I find this entire discussion extremely funny. The _programmers_ say the programs are _not_ 2600 players. The non-programmers claim they are. Who would you suppose has the best perspective to make that judgement? :) IE find _any_ programmer here that would say his program is a 2600 level player if it was playing in FIDE rated events. Find one. even one-half of one. :)
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