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Subject: Re: Poll Question - Tournaments vs Matches

Author: John Warfield

Date: 15:34:15 01/05/00

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On January 05, 2000 at 14:37:21, Ed Schröder wrote:

>>Posted by Chris Carson on January 05, 2000 at 14:08:39:
>
>>>I say amen to that. How can anybody believe nowadays chess programs can
>>>compete with players like:
>>>
>>>6 2209390 Shirov, Alexei  2722 ESP g  13
>>>7 2000024 Kamsky, Gata  2720 USA g  0
>>>8 2805677 Gelfand, Boris  2713 ISR g  24
>>>9 4100026 Karpov, Anatoly  2709 RUS g  9
>>>10 400041 Adams, Michael  2705 ENG g  48
>>>11 14100010 Ivanchuk, Vassily  2702 UKR g  27
>>>12 703303 Leko, Peter  2699 HUN g  14
>>>13 2900084 Topalov, Veselin  2695 BUL g  36
>>>
>>>on 40/2?
>>>
>>>Maybe they can on 30/all but 40/2?
>>>
>>>Ed
>>
>>Ed,
>>
>>Compete yes, win most of the time no.  I would expect close
>>competition between top 5 programs and this list (PCA ratings):
>>
>>45. Smirin,Ilia             ISR     2599    182
>>46. Kasimdzhanov,Rustam     UZB     2599    174
>>47. Khenkin,Igor            RUS     2598    193
>>48. Lautier,Joel            FRA     2596    157
>>49. Kharlov,Andrei          RUS     2596    170
>>50. Magerramov,Elmar        AZE     2595    187
>>51. Piket,Jeroen            NED     2595    153
>>52. Bologan,Viorel          MDA     2594    199
>>
>>See my other post.  I would expect the top 5 programs to score
>>2519 or better (in tournament, not match play).  Note: That is
>
>Hi Chris,
>
>IMO 2519 would be a terrific result for every chess program on 40/2.
>
>>still a loosing record, but very competitive!  :)
>
>Right.
>
>>Just my opinion.  :)
>
>Appreciated.
>
>Advice: go and play 10-20 games against GM's and then after each game they
>will tell you a) what you did wrong, b) what they could have done better.
>After they are finished with you you feel like the stupidest chess player
>in the whole universe. Not very encouraging for men's ego :-)
>
>At AEGON I felt many times this way and concluded Rebel would never play
>on GM level. I start doubting after DB defeated Kasparov and Rebel's 40/2
>games against Anand. I hesitated a lot starting the GM challenge but I was
>too curious to let it pass.
>
>>Oh, great matches you have been putting on.  I hope only the
>>best for the great programs Rebel and Tiger.  :)
>
>Tiger will have its baptism in the third Lithuania - Rebel event.
>
>Ed
>

Ed sometimes I wonder about your alleged Modesty, After the enormous success you
have had at Aegon and other places, even drawing Annand, it's hard to believe
you could be so skeptical of the Programs abilities.






>>Best Regards,
>>Chris Carson



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