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Subject: Re: Poll Question - Tournaments vs Matches

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:18:24 01/06/00

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On January 06, 2000 at 07:32:03, Graham Laight wrote:

>On January 06, 2000 at 05:30:55, Graham Laight wrote:
>
>>* In the case of Crafty, maybe it really isn't at GM level - or maybe Bob is
>>demoralised by the number of times it's been beaten on the ICC, forgetting that
>>that the ICC conditions, while useful for research, are not truly representative
>>of tournament chess conditions
>
>Probably even more important in Bob's case is that he has always wanted to
>strongly promote the idea that multi-processor computers are massively stronger
>than (single processor) PCs. It would be a blow to his esteem if it was proven
>beyond all possible doubt that PCs had attained a GM level of play!

pure nonsense...  I believe multiprocessor systems are _better_.  And that is
provable by simple measurements.  But it says nothing about how strong the
things are on one cpu.. only that they are better on 2.




>
>>* In the case of Ed Schroeder, I think he suffers from low self esteem. He seems
>>to have developed a fear of competition. Also, maybe the long years of
>
>Actually, I'm not really sure whether Ed has low self esteem, but in the past he
>has certainly avoided competitions. If he'd gone to the '97 WMCCC in Paris, I
>would have been able to meet him in person, as I did many other programmers, +
>legends like David Levy.
>
>-g
>
>>proclaiming great results, only to be knocked back down by a humiliating defeat
>>at the hands of a GM have created within him an automatic reaction of excessive
>>modesty when asked about his programs relative to strong human players
>
>>* In general, every programmer who has spoken to "positional" IMs and above will
>>have heard expressions like, "What a terrible move that was positionally".
>>Certainly many GMs said that many times about DB during its successful match
>>with GK in '97. But DB still "brought home the bacon".
>>
>>* Chess programmers are often timid people, who prefer to have other people heap
>>credit on them, rather than shouting out their achievements for themselves
>>
>>* For so long, computers have been worse than GMs, and GMs emphasise the
>>computers' weaknesses so strongly, that it is easy to see how, in the absence of
>>truly compelling, utterly indisputable evidence, most people could easily miss
>>the moment when the computers really do reach the GM level. Think about this: it
>>is conspicuously clear that the vast majority of Wall St traders miss the
>>moments when the market's primary trend turns up or down sharply - it's almost a
>>truism by definition!
>>
>>But if Bob Hyatt wants to laugh, I say "go ahead" - laughter is known to be good
>>for your health!
>>
>>-g



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