Author: Amir Ban
Date: 04:32:42 01/09/00
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On January 09, 2000 at 06:52:48, blass uri wrote: >On January 09, 2000 at 06:03:28, Amir Ban wrote: > >>On January 09, 2000 at 05:20:05, blass uri wrote: >> >>>On January 09, 2000 at 03:24:41, Amir Ban wrote: >>> >>>>Junior had a TPR of around 2500 in each of the years 1996-1998, on hardware that >>>>was mostly P5/133. In these years its real rating advanced from around 2200 to >>>>2410. Junior was saddled in 1993 with a 1900 initial rating, and its rating is >>>>unrealistically low because of that. Had it been introduced in 1996 with an >>>>initial 2400, it would be around 2500 today. >>>> >>>>Amir >>> >>>Do you include only 40/120+60 games or also 30/90+60 games? >>> >>>I remember that part of the games of Junior in kfarsaba were >>>30/90+60 when the humans played 5 games in 3 days >>> >>>Uri >> >>The question about what I include or don't is out of place. I'm not talking here >>about a hypothetical rating using games that I selected according to some >>criteria (like many people here do). I'm talking about an official rating given >>by the Israeli Chess Federation. I don't even know how they calculate the rating >>or how they give weights to tournaments, but they rate Junior like they rate >>everybody else, and they publish rating lists every 3 months. > >I know that they included in the rating games with different time control. > >Part of the games are with time control of 30 minutes per game(the factor for >these games is smaller) so the tournament time control are more significant in >the rating. > > >>This, BTW, means that the rating doesn't include many games Junior played in >>unofficial events, like the Yudasin, Zifroni and Olympic team matches. If I was >>making up my own rating I would have included them, but that's not what I'm >>doing here. > >I meant to ask about the TPR of around 2500 and not about the rating. >I understand now that the TPR is based only on games for the Israel rating. > >I did not mean to imply that you made up the rating but only to say that >performance of 2500 based on the games is slightly misleading for people >who do not know the Israeli chess federation rules. > >I think that 2500 for computers by the Israel chess federation is not the same >as 2500 by fide because of the fact that some faster time control games that >are not faster than 30 minutes/game are counted with a smaller factor. > What makes you think FIDE doesn't rate active time control games ? >I guess that 2500 for computers by the israel chess federation is eqvivalent to >2450 at 40/120+60/game when humans play only one game per day. > A nice plausible statement made with no backing data, and in Junior's case almost certainly false, since it didn't do better in the kind of events you want to exclude, and maybe did worse. Junior's worst result ever was in the Open Active Championship of 1995. The point of an official rating is that it's official, controlled, egalitarian, and not open to manipulation or debate. Everybody can add or subtract tens of points to ratings according to their pet issues. Amir
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