Author: blass uri
Date: 05:42:46 01/09/00
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On January 09, 2000 at 07:32:42, Amir Ban wrote: >On January 09, 2000 at 06:52:48, blass uri wrote: > >>On January 09, 2000 at 06:03:28, Amir Ban wrote: >> >>>On January 09, 2000 at 05:20:05, blass uri wrote: >>> >>>>On January 09, 2000 at 03:24:41, Amir Ban wrote: >>>> >>>>>Junior had a TPR of around 2500 in each of the years 1996-1998, on hardware that >>>>>was mostly P5/133. In these years its real rating advanced from around 2200 to >>>>>2410. Junior was saddled in 1993 with a 1900 initial rating, and its rating is >>>>>unrealistically low because of that. Had it been introduced in 1996 with an >>>>>initial 2400, it would be around 2500 today. >>>>> >>>>>Amir >>>> >>>>Do you include only 40/120+60 games or also 30/90+60 games? >>>> >>>>I remember that part of the games of Junior in kfarsaba were >>>>30/90+60 when the humans played 5 games in 3 days >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>>The question about what I include or don't is out of place. I'm not talking here >>>about a hypothetical rating using games that I selected according to some >>>criteria (like many people here do). I'm talking about an official rating given >>>by the Israeli Chess Federation. I don't even know how they calculate the rating >>>or how they give weights to tournaments, but they rate Junior like they rate >>>everybody else, and they publish rating lists every 3 months. >> >>I know that they included in the rating games with different time control. >> >>Part of the games are with time control of 30 minutes per game(the factor for >>these games is smaller) so the tournament time control are more significant in >>the rating. >> >> >>>This, BTW, means that the rating doesn't include many games Junior played in >>>unofficial events, like the Yudasin, Zifroni and Olympic team matches. If I was >>>making up my own rating I would have included them, but that's not what I'm >>>doing here. >> >>I meant to ask about the TPR of around 2500 and not about the rating. >>I understand now that the TPR is based only on games for the Israel rating. >> >>I did not mean to imply that you made up the rating but only to say that >>performance of 2500 based on the games is slightly misleading for people >>who do not know the Israeli chess federation rules. >> >>I think that 2500 for computers by the Israel chess federation is not the same >>as 2500 by fide because of the fact that some faster time control games that >>are not faster than 30 minutes/game are counted with a smaller factor. >> > >What makes you think FIDE doesn't rate active time control games ? All the discussion about rating of computers was about 2 hours/40+1 hour/game time control. I thought that Fide at least does not rate active time control games in the same list as tournament time control games but maybe I am wrong about it. I simply think that a fair comparison with Rebel's results should include only games with the same time control and the performance of Rebel does not include fast time control games. > > >>I guess that 2500 for computers by the israel chess federation is eqvivalent to >>2450 at 40/120+60/game when humans play only one game per day. >> > >A nice plausible statement made with no backing data, and in Junior's case >almost certainly false, since it didn't do better in the kind of events you want >to exclude, and maybe did worse. Junior's worst result ever was in the Open >Active Championship of 1995. You claimed TPR of around 2500 in each of the years 1996-1998 and not in 1995. Uri
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