Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 09:55:20 01/09/00
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On January 09, 2000 at 10:57:52, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>On January 09, 2000 at 10:52:02, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>
>>On January 09, 2000 at 10:30:32, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>On January 09, 2000 at 10:26:20, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 09, 2000 at 10:17:58, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 09, 2000 at 09:52:57, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On January 09, 2000 at 09:47:56, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On January 09, 2000 at 09:43:21, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No. Without opening book and after 1.e4 Tiger picks:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Ply 1 Nf6
>>>>>>>>Ply 3 d5
>>>>>>>>Ply 3 e6
>>>>>>>>Ply 5 e5
>>>>>>>>Ply 8 d5
>>>>>>>>Ply 12 e6
>>>>>>>>Ply 13 e5
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Enrique
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>good that you confirm enrique. so it is on my machine too.
>>>>>>>good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any time. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If it happened, it happened. This need to confirm is ridiculous. Imagine if you
>>>>>>have to replay every game... The 40 games you play are already quite something,
>>>>>>no?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Enrique
>>>>>
>>>>>But diep plays without book now and with a 9 ply search or something
>>>>>you won't play the opening good!
>>>>
>>>>Well... At least Diep played 5 or 6 moves in book and Tiger none...
>>>>
>>>>In any case, Diep should play with the book it is supposed to use, but this
>>>>checking of Tiger moves is unnecessary.
>>>
>>>what's wrong with that?
>>>Tiger plays everywhere in the world 1..d5 but what was sent to thorsten
>>>plays opening a lot better suddenly. it's tuned for playing without book
>>>there!
>>
>>Really! :)
>>
>>Look, Vincent, I already answered to this in another post. With the parameters
>>in the ct.ini file that Chrsitophe recommends for Rebel-Tiger 12.0e, Tiger picks
>>e5. After 1.e4 and with the old parameters, it picks d5 from ply 9 on, 13'',
>>without switching to e5. That explains it, doesn't it? By the way, these
>>parameters are recommended for all games played by Tiger, not only for this
>>match.
>>
>>What's wrong with double checking moves one by one? That it is physically
>>impossible to recheck all moves in 40 games, so you better believe in the good
>>faith of the whole thing. Besides, the purpose of this match was to prove that
>>Tiger's evals "suck" and that it wins because of the book. Now, if it wins
>>without a book as it did, how can we describe the evaluation functions of the
>>program that loses to Tiger?
>
>no program understands opening. if i put a 9 ply search versus a 13 ply
>search in a position where they both understand shit from,
>then i know who wins.
Vincent, do you realize that you are simply implying here that your program is
going to be unable to compete against Tiger?
I can believe you when you say that Diep does not understand shit from the
opening, but please don't assume Tiger doesn't know how to play the opening
without book.
Christophe
>If i play on a quad xeon with diep in that opening nothing goes wrong
>though. 12..14 ply is what i call for years the tactical barrier.
>
>Note that diep plays 6.O-O at 12 ply and keeps that move and would
>have gotten 12 ply at a quad xeon.
>
>If you call me crazy that i removed pruning from diep (otherwise
>it would also get 12 ply here and play O-O), just do so.
>I'm used to parallellism nowadays...
>
>I would love to compare evals indeed in normal positions. Not at move 6
>where you need to get to the tactical barrier.
>
>>Enrique
>>>>Enrique
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