Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 07:57:52 01/09/00
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On January 09, 2000 at 10:52:02, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >On January 09, 2000 at 10:30:32, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On January 09, 2000 at 10:26:20, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >> >>>On January 09, 2000 at 10:17:58, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On January 09, 2000 at 09:52:57, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 09, 2000 at 09:47:56, Thorsten Czub wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On January 09, 2000 at 09:43:21, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>No. Without opening book and after 1.e4 Tiger picks: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Ply 1 Nf6 >>>>>>>Ply 3 d5 >>>>>>>Ply 3 e6 >>>>>>>Ply 5 e5 >>>>>>>Ply 8 d5 >>>>>>>Ply 12 e6 >>>>>>>Ply 13 e5 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Enrique >>>>>> >>>>>>good that you confirm enrique. so it is on my machine too. >>>>>>good. >>>>> >>>>>Any time. :) >>>>> >>>>>If it happened, it happened. This need to confirm is ridiculous. Imagine if you >>>>>have to replay every game... The 40 games you play are already quite something, >>>>>no? >>>>> >>>>>Enrique >>>> >>>>But diep plays without book now and with a 9 ply search or something >>>>you won't play the opening good! >>> >>>Well... At least Diep played 5 or 6 moves in book and Tiger none... >>> >>>In any case, Diep should play with the book it is supposed to use, but this >>>checking of Tiger moves is unnecessary. >> >>what's wrong with that? >>Tiger plays everywhere in the world 1..d5 but what was sent to thorsten >>plays opening a lot better suddenly. it's tuned for playing without book >>there! > >Really! :) > >Look, Vincent, I already answered to this in another post. With the parameters >in the ct.ini file that Chrsitophe recommends for Rebel-Tiger 12.0e, Tiger picks >e5. After 1.e4 and with the old parameters, it picks d5 from ply 9 on, 13'', >without switching to e5. That explains it, doesn't it? By the way, these >parameters are recommended for all games played by Tiger, not only for this >match. > >What's wrong with double checking moves one by one? That it is physically >impossible to recheck all moves in 40 games, so you better believe in the good >faith of the whole thing. Besides, the purpose of this match was to prove that >Tiger's evals "suck" and that it wins because of the book. Now, if it wins >without a book as it did, how can we describe the evaluation functions of the >program that loses to Tiger? no program understands opening. if i put a 9 ply search versus a 13 ply search in a position where they both understand shit from, then i know who wins. If i play on a quad xeon with diep in that opening nothing goes wrong though. 12..14 ply is what i call for years the tactical barrier. Note that diep plays 6.O-O at 12 ply and keeps that move and would have gotten 12 ply at a quad xeon. If you call me crazy that i removed pruning from diep (otherwise it would also get 12 ply here and play O-O), just do so. I'm used to parallellism nowadays... I would love to compare evals indeed in normal positions. Not at move 6 where you need to get to the tactical barrier. >Enrique >>>Enrique
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