Author: Dann Corbit
Date: 20:38:08 01/10/00
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On January 10, 2000 at 22:45:47, Mark Young wrote:
>On January 10, 2000 at 22:12:39, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On January 10, 2000 at 21:27:06, Mark Young wrote:
>>>On January 10, 2000 at 20:59:33, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>
>>>>You've had an axe to grind with Bob before, so your judgment in this matter is
>>>>somewhat in question to me.
>>>
>>>I don't have an axe to grind with Bob, and Bob does not have an axe to grind
>>>with me. I am doing what I always do when I disagree with posts on CCC. Show
>>>Data why I think they are WRONG!
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I have seen contests where Crafty has done well. Indeed, if you look at Andy
>>>>S.'s current tournament, you will see that Crafty is leading several commercial
>>>>entrants. Crafty has done well at all time controls in many different contests.
>>>
>>>Please post the results!! If you disagree and think Crafty is on par with the
>>>top programs show us some data.
>>
>>WMCCC, Jakarta. Crafty bests most of the commercial entrants:
>>http://www.mark-weeks.com/chess/96wm$tix.htm
>>KK KUP 2, Crafty beats two commercial programs:
>>http://www.gambitsoft.com/kup.htm
>>KK KUP 1, Crafty beats commercial programs:
>>http://www.gambitsoft.com/turnier/kupold.htm
>>
>>Crafty whips a stand-alone chess computer:
>>http://www.ixian.com/ead/misc/crafty-vs-novag-super-constellation.shtml
>>
>>Many excellent results in Shep's tournaments:
>>http://sccs.8m.com/compchess2.html
>>
>>Generally considered the strongest winboard program by the experts:
>>http://amateurschach.in-trier.de/schach/engines/crafty.htm
>>
>>Crafty did very well in Ed's Chess 2010 contest.
>>
>>You posted a single game. Every chess program makes horrible moves from time to
>>time. In fact, I do recall a very horrible move crafty made in KKUP 2 (pawn
>>move in early endgame) that really made me recoil. But so does every other
>>program produce toe-curling monstrosities.
>
>I posted one game...the last game of the match. But I gave the results Fritz 6
>17 - Crafty 16.6 5. I will post the games as always when the Fritz 6 vs Crafty
>17.4 match is done. Please as you well know I have posted 100's of games...
>thats all of my match games I have commented on in CCC. And have never with held
>any game data from this group.
OK. I thought by "evidence" you were referring to only the single game score
you provided. In any case, I do know that you have done a lot of computer
matches, and also that you have done some nice cross checking of things as a
favor to me. I am not trying to poke at you, per se.
I think we can "agree to disagree."
There is ample evidence from the links I have posted to show that crafty is very
strong, and has been very strong for a long time. Your data may show that
crafty has some kind of weaknesses. I think some hunting will probably come up
with tournaments where crafty has not done as well as the ones that I found.
Is crafty the strongest program on earth with equal hardware? Probably not.
But it is a very strong program that gives commercial programs a run for their
money. It seems to dominate the freely available programs. In fact, the ICC
green list was created as a competition forum where the programs did not have to
operate in morbid dread of crafty (IIRC).
You may have some valid statistical evidence to support your assertions. At any
rate, crafty is more than strong enough for me. I think it will probably always
be my favorite chess program. I am also fond of Hiarcs and Rebel, and expect to
be enthralled with Chess Tiger {once I get my hands on one}. I don't like
Chessmaster (but do recognize its incredible strength). Shrug.
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