Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 20:09:29 01/11/00
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On January 11, 2000 at 18:25:44, Mark Young wrote: >On January 11, 2000 at 02:52:50, Bruce Moreland wrote: > >>On January 11, 2000 at 00:51:34, Mark Young wrote: >> >>>5. Unlike some I have no need to smear anyone, the people that are honest about >>>crafty know the data will back up the articles statements 1000%. This is not >>>smear but truth, what is smear is what has been written about the motives of the >>>man who wrote the article because some disagree with his opinion. >> >>The data in the article did not back up the statements in the article. If you >>look at those cross tables I don't think there is much reason to prefer Rebel, >>for instance, over Crafty. >> >>The game you posted elsewhere doesn't back up your statements, either. You show >>Crafty getting rolled up into a little ball by Fritz. No problem. I can so you >>games where Fritz was rolled up into a ball by my program, and where my program >>was rolled up into a ball by Hiarcs, etc. Both of these from the last WCCC. >> >>Every time you let your program play you expose yourself to this kind of >>humiliation, it happens to *everyone*. > >No one is just talking about one game, i agree any program can have a bad game, >even Ferret, and you know my opinion on Ferret. And it has nothing to do with >like or dislike of the programmer. I judge Ferret on what it shows me in games, >as I do with Crafty. And I don't think it is smear to express ones opinion on >any program as long as it is accurate. The only smear I seen was to the person >who wrote one article and devoted a few words to Crafty that were accurate. Now >some on this board think it is insane to say Crafty is weaker then the top >commercial programs, and it is smear to explain why it is weaker. So I think the >only way to resolve a dispute like this is with some games. > > > >> >>bruce Feel free to come to ICC and play some. My problem with the article is (a) the title and (b) the first 1/3 of the thing was a run-down on Crafty, which had _nothing_ to do with the commercial programs he claimed he was going to review. There are _many_ freeware engines. There are _many_ for Fritz and Hiarcs GUIs. I didn't see any other freeware program mentioned. I didn't see any other 'research' programs (ie dark thought, cilkchess, or whatever) mentioned. If he wanted to do a critique on Crafty, that is certainly fair game. But his statements had _no_ supporting data, and what data he did supply completely contradicted his statements. You could claim he was trying to be fair by doing this. Or he was using poor journalistic judgement. I think the latter, myself. Nobody knows better than I what Crafty can and can't do. His summary was really 180 degrees from the truth, when taking what he thinks is its strengths and weaknesses. They were simply backward.
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