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Subject: Re: Are comments about Crafty 16.6 to harsh or just accurate observations?

Author: Mark Young

Date: 15:25:44 01/11/00

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On January 11, 2000 at 02:52:50, Bruce Moreland wrote:

>On January 11, 2000 at 00:51:34, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>5. Unlike some I have no need to smear anyone, the people that are honest about
>>crafty know the data will back up the articles statements 1000%. This is not
>>smear but truth, what is smear is what has been written about the motives of the
>>man who wrote the article because some disagree with his opinion.
>
>The data in the article did not back up the statements in the article.  If you
>look at those cross tables I don't think there is much reason to prefer Rebel,
>for instance, over Crafty.
>
>The game you posted elsewhere doesn't back up your statements, either.  You show
>Crafty getting rolled up into a little ball by Fritz.  No problem.  I can so you
>games where Fritz was rolled up into a ball by my program, and where my program
>was rolled up into a ball by Hiarcs, etc.  Both of these from the last WCCC.
>
>Every time you let your program play you expose yourself to this kind of
>humiliation, it happens to *everyone*.

No one is just talking about one game, i agree any program can have a bad game,
even Ferret, and you know my opinion on Ferret. And it has nothing to do with
like or dislike of the programmer. I judge Ferret on what it shows me in games,
as I do with Crafty. And I don't think it is smear to express ones opinion on
any program as long as it is accurate. The only smear I seen was to the person
who wrote one article and devoted a few words to Crafty that were accurate. Now
some on this board think it is insane to say Crafty is weaker then the top
commercial programs, and it is smear to explain why it is weaker. So I think the
only way to resolve a dispute like this is with some games.



>
>bruce



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