Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 11:18:34 01/13/00
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On January 13, 2000 at 10:32:02, blass uri wrote: >On January 13, 2000 at 10:21:16, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On January 12, 2000 at 15:25:18, Rajendran Ramachandran wrote: >> >>>On January 12, 2000 at 14:45:13, Rajen Gupta wrote: >>> >>>>from the atrocious results of rebel vs grandmasters it is pretty clear that once >>>>humans get the feel of playing against computers or even a particular computer, >>>>they (ie humans)would get the better of computers.It is a fact that kasparov had >>>>no opportunity at all to evaluate deep blue while the reverse was not true.In >>>>all fairness kasparov should have been allowed a couple of weeks with deep >>>>blue-he would have identified the holes and blasted through them-just as the >>>>humans are now doing to rebel >>>> >>>>rajen gupta >>> >>>Well said rajen >>> >>>A complete list of games as a database of kasparov's games would have been >>>available to the computer for determining the style, weakness etc.. >>> >>>raj >> >> >>This is wrong. Did not Kasparov play completely different openings in the >>match than he played in prior tournaments? Did he not try some anti-computer >>stuff by taking DB out of book quickly with bizarre moves? So he can totally >>change his style of play so that old games are useless, while DB has to (a) >>provide old games and then (b) play exactly like it did in those old games? >> >>He got some atrocious advice for how to prepare for Deep Blue. He used the >>wrong training approach, using a micro and thinking it was teaching him how >>DB would play. He played openings he was unfamiliar with which put him into >>new territory against an opponent _very good_ in unfamiliar territory. It was >>error on top of error. > >I disagree that it was an error to get deeper blue out of book as soon as >possible. > >Kasparov got better positions in most of the games against deeper blue. >kasparov lost against deeper blue only in the games he followed theory. > >a micro does not play the same moves as deeper blue but it is the best opponent >he could train against before the match. > >kasparov won in the first game when deeper blue did typical micro mistakes. > >Uri I think that in Game 1, DB was only a hair away from winning. A couple of early moves by the queen and bishop looked a bit awkward, but even GM Joel Benjamin never thought black was in any serious trouble for the first 30 moves...
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