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Subject: Re: Kasparov's manager answers Hsu

Author: Chris Carson

Date: 09:38:08 01/14/00

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On January 14, 2000 at 12:18:17, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On January 14, 2000 at 10:46:51, Chris Carson wrote:
>
>>And accepting your statement, then
>>DB never played any program/computer in
>>a public match (only in a lab, no published
>>match details before hand, no preparations by
>>the other programmers that I am aware of).
>>
>>IMHO:  not a fair event.  :(
>>
>>DB prototype came in third in a public tournament
>>(in the light of day, not in a hidden room
>>with no independant verification or validation).
>>
>>IMHO:  a fair event.  :)
>>
>>If you have other information such as match conditions, program setup,
>>game results, pgn files from a public source and can show
>>independant validation, please let me know.  I like DB and
>>DB junior and respect HSU, but I have to ask why no public tournaments like
>>Rebel, Fritz, Hiarcs, Junior, ... have done (before the Kasparov
>>match)?  :)
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>Chris Carson
>
>
>Wait until Hsu's book comes out.  Check the 'timing'.  If they had played a
>tournament with the real DB-1 or DB-2 hardware, it would have been within a
>couple of weeks of the event.  For the last event they were seriously giving
>thought to either using the 1996 hardware or postponing, because the FAB shop
>screwed up badly several times (not design problems, but mis-communication
>inside the fab shop.  IE Hsu wanted a 40-pin package. He got something bigger.
>He wanted interlaced data lines across the chip to save space.  They didn't
>notice this.  And even after all of that they had some ugly problems to solve
>in a period of a week or so.  IE when you have 32 'wires' running in parallel,
>at high clock frequencies, with very close spacing, 'crosstalk' is a problem.
>
>They had to solve a bunch of problems with software kludges.  And they were
>barely ready to play Kasparov at match time, much less ready to do demos months
>in advance.  I was surprised how closely they cut it.  I thought only us
>academic types did that kind of stuff (IE Cray Blitz became parallel in the
>two weeks immediately prior to the 1983 WCCC event we won...  When I left for
>New York (driving, about 24 hours non-stop) the thing wasn't working due to a
>compiler problem.  Harry was in Minneapolis working with Cray as we drove.  That
>was close.  DB had the same sort of problems, which was surprising in a way.
>But probably typical overall.  :)

Fair enough.  I can not wait for the book, it should be great!!  :)

Best Regards,
Chris Carson



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