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Subject: Re: In defence of Kasparov

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 16:03:30 01/14/00

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On January 14, 2000 at 16:12:07, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On January 14, 2000 at 14:22:08, george petty wrote:
>
>>On January 14, 2000 at 13:18:37, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>On January 14, 2000 at 12:17:49, Pete R. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 14, 2000 at 03:21:14, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>Posted by Robert Hyatt on January 13, 2000 at 23:31:57:
>>>>>
>>>>>[ snips ]
>>>>>
>>>>>>There are some things above that are very suspicious.  At the top of the
>>>>>>response, he directly quoted Hsu.  But after the beginning, no more quotes
>>>>>>to support his less than savory description of Hsu's actions.  I find this
>>>>>>troubling.  If he would quote him at the beginning, then couldn't he quote
>>>>>>some of his "belligerent" comments as well?
>>>>>
>>>>>Maybe Mr. Williams has manners?
>>>>
>>>>Maybe so, maybe not.  I don't know either party, but frankly I find his letter
>>>>insulting and in poor taste.  Not only that but it's defamatory, while Hsu's
>>>>letter is not.  I don't know Hsu from Adam, but Mr. Williams' letter clearly
>>>>paints his character in a bad light and tries to sway the reader that he is some
>>>>sort of jerk.  His only defense against a lawsuit Hsu could bring for this would
>>>>be the truth, i.e. he has to support his statement that Hsu's emails were
>>>>belligerent and threatening, and support his interpretation that he was going to
>>>>make comments on Kasparov's behalf, and so forth.  The reader can't decide
>>>>unless the emails are published.  And I agree with Dr. Hyatt that it's
>>>>suspicious already that Mr. Williams does not already support this with
>>>>quotations.  If I were Hsu, and *if* Hsu is innocent of the behavior painted by
>>>>Mr. Williams, the next phone call Mr. Williams would get would be from my
>>>>lawyer.  You are free to have an opinion as to the relative character of Mr. Hsu
>>>>vs. Mr. Williams, but it would be wiser to refrain from public comment, though
>>>>that choice is yours.  Personally I would like to see the email exchange myself
>>>>rather than rely on other people's opinions.
>>>
>>>Instead of a big scientific discussion, what about a short
>>>buiseness discussion?
>>>
>>>Sure, personally i would LOVE such a match happening. However i can't
>>>afford Kasparov and i clearly realize that. I can't afford a single GM
>>>even. I'm lucky some play a few blitz games against it at the internet.
>>>
>>>Now we see a person called Hsu. Why not first make a program,
>>>start hacking it up to the internet, then start thinking of these things?
>>>
>>>Kasparov gets questions like this every day: "let us sign some contracts,
>>>then i go try find some money with your signature".
>>>
>>>Perhaps 10 times a day?
>>>
>>>Sure not every day from Hsu, but Kasparov is a professional chessplayer,
>>>not a professor who is there to do research and help students.
>>>
>>>I'm sure Hsu can dedicate easily another 6 months to building *a* machine.
>>>In a letter Hsu says he doesn't need more money to make it even. excellent.
>>>
>>>Then he can show something. In USA internet is for free in contradiction
>>>to europe. for a few dollar he can hack it up to the internet chess
>>>server, i'm sure of that.
>>>
>>>A promise IBM has never kept, probably fearing other computers.
>>>
>>>Now then he has something to show his sponsors
>>>
>>>   - i've got a machine
>>>   - see how it plays
>>>
>>>Right now he can only show a bit of dusty paper.
>>>
>>>First play a cheap 2700+ GM for example. Now IF it wins, then go on
>>>and try to achieve the big price.
>>>
>>>Of course if Hsu doesn't believe in his new machine he sure won't play
>>>other GMs.
>>>
>>>Vincent
>>
>>  EXCELLENT!!  I wish I had said that.  Very good.
>>
>>  Best wishes,
>>
>>  George
>
>
>Here is a suggestion:  If you don't have anything to add, please don't post
>"I agree" or "I wish I had said that".  It only wastes bandwidth downloading
>the headers for threading, and then reading a bunch of quoted stuff with nothing
>new at the end.
>
>Nettiquette suggests that this is a newbie practice that should be avoided.

Saying "I agree" (or so) is also an opnion and therefore is of value.

Not so?

Ed



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