Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 12:32:47 01/15/00
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On January 15, 2000 at 13:50:13, blass uri wrote: >On January 15, 2000 at 11:09:45, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On January 15, 2000 at 02:37:44, James Robertson wrote: >> >>>On January 15, 2000 at 00:45:04, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>I'll bite on that discussion. Exactly _how_ did you learn to do this so >>>>quickly? Looking at the programs of others? Asking questions that several >>>>of us answer as quickly as possible? >>> >>>Of course. I owe so much to all you guys. And I doubt Hsu developed DB in >>>complete seclusion. >>> >>>> >>>>Now how much is known about the _real_ design work of DB? How many know >>>>anything about "belle" which is where the chess processor design really >>>>started? Etc. >>>> >>>>There is much less known about DB's hardware, because hardly anyone is >>>>interested... >>>> >>> >>>Ok, here I see you have a point. I have been taking it for granted that DB's >>>chips were advanced versions of what already existed, and this may not be true. >>>It is possible he did something completely different and original. >>> >> >>that is the _wrong_ question. The right question is "If someone else wanted >>to continue the deep blue project _today_ how long would it take them to catch >>up to the point where Hsu is? While Hsu is off doing a new machine by himself >>without IBM involved? I claim 12 years +or longer+... >> >>And during that 12 years, Hsu would also have 12 years. He would not be >>caught, most likely... >> >> >> >>>Still, I will take this back to the original discussion; could DB have been done >>>without Hsu? I believe there are many ways to make a supercomputer that plays >>>super chess. Hsu invented one way, and others could invent other ways too. >>> >>> >>>>> >>>>>And they met with brilliant success. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Didn't Kasparov lose the match? That doesn't spell "S-U-C-C-E-S-S" to >>>>me. :) >>> >>>I was being sarcastic. :) His brilliant plans to change his stye (Game 6: ... >>>h6!!! Deep Blue falls for the trap and plays Nxe6) met with stunning results. :\ >>> >>>James >> >> >>There we agree. poor decision (and no, I don't believe it was an accident, >>I believe it was planned.) > >It was clearly an accident. > >I remember that Kasparov thought when he was in book and this is a proof that it >was an accident. > >I believe that he did not think about the first mistake Qe7 becuase he knew that >he wrote a book when he claimed that Qe7 is the best move and did not like to >admit that he is not sure about it. > >Uri I don't believe it was an accident. On more than one occasion, one or more of Kasparov's "team" have been quoted as saying "we simply made a mistake in the last round trying that line." Perhaps they didn't say what they mean. There are more details about this in Hsu's upcoming book.
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