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Subject: Re: Kasparov's manager answers Hsu

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 12:32:47 01/15/00

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On January 15, 2000 at 13:50:13, blass uri wrote:

>On January 15, 2000 at 11:09:45, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On January 15, 2000 at 02:37:44, James Robertson wrote:
>>
>>>On January 15, 2000 at 00:45:04, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'll bite on that discussion.  Exactly _how_ did you learn to do this so
>>>>quickly?  Looking at the programs of others?  Asking questions that several
>>>>of us answer as quickly as possible?
>>>
>>>Of course. I owe so much to all you guys. And I doubt Hsu developed DB in
>>>complete seclusion.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Now how much is known about the _real_ design work of DB?  How many know
>>>>anything about "belle" which is where the chess processor design really
>>>>started?  Etc.
>>>>
>>>>There is much less known about DB's hardware, because hardly anyone is
>>>>interested...
>>>>
>>>
>>>Ok, here I see you have a point. I have been taking it for granted that DB's
>>>chips were advanced versions of what already existed, and this may not be true.
>>>It is possible he did something completely different and original.
>>>
>>
>>that is the _wrong_ question.  The right question is "If someone else wanted
>>to continue the deep blue project _today_ how long would it take them to catch
>>up to the point where Hsu is?  While Hsu is off doing a new machine by himself
>>without IBM involved?  I claim 12 years +or longer+...
>>
>>And during that 12 years, Hsu would also have 12 years.  He would not be
>>caught, most likely...
>>
>>
>>
>>>Still, I will take this back to the original discussion; could DB have been done
>>>without Hsu? I believe there are many ways to make a supercomputer that plays
>>>super chess. Hsu invented one way, and others could invent other ways too.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>And they met with brilliant success.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Didn't Kasparov lose the match?  That doesn't spell "S-U-C-C-E-S-S" to
>>>>me.  :)
>>>
>>>I was being sarcastic. :) His brilliant plans to change his stye (Game 6: ...
>>>h6!!! Deep Blue falls for the trap and plays Nxe6) met with stunning results. :\
>>>
>>>James
>>
>>
>>There we agree.  poor decision (and no, I don't believe it was an accident,
>>I believe it was planned.)
>
>It was clearly an accident.
>
>I remember that Kasparov thought when he was in book and this is a proof that it
>was an accident.
>
>I believe that he did not think about the first mistake Qe7 becuase he knew that
>he wrote a book when he claimed that Qe7 is the best move and did not like to
>admit that he is not sure about it.
>
>Uri


I don't believe it was an accident.  On more than one occasion, one or more
of Kasparov's "team" have been quoted as saying "we simply made a mistake in
the last round trying that line."  Perhaps they didn't say what they mean.

There are more details about this in Hsu's upcoming book.



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