Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 06:36:14 01/21/00
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On January 21, 2000 at 01:09:27, Martin Grabriel wrote: >why then was Kasparov so uptight about seeing the log? In his mind perhaps he >thought the log could prove cheating? I tend to agree with the Proffessor that >the log doesn't prove anything..so Kasparov was wrong on at leaset one count -- >he believed the log would/could prove cheating. > A log is a file of everything displayed by the program. The log can be modified. The program could have been 'fixed' so that if a GM 'radioed' in a move to play, the program could have done a search on that move to get a PV, but faked the score upward a bit to make it look legitimately better than the best so far. And there would be no way to detect this other than to look thru their 100K lines of C code, which would of course _not_ include the module "void CheatingCode(move_t suggested_move)" :) > >On January 20, 2000 at 22:06:17, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On January 20, 2000 at 19:08:25, Chris Carson wrote: >> >>>On January 20, 2000 at 14:27:12, Joshua Lee wrote: >>> >>>>Do they prove cheating or not? >>> >>>They do not prove cheeting, however they raise some >>>questions. The logs I read from the comercial programs >>>leave not doubt about a game, the DB logs do. IMHO. >>> >> >> >>How so? Their output provides the same information that most programs >>provide... PVs, scores... times... etc... >> >> >> >>>The logs should easily prove not-cheating and they do not >>>prove that either. I do not believe at this time that >>>cheating occured, however, the DB team has not cleared itself >>>of a simple to prove issue. IMHO. >> >> >>I think that is _nonsense_. Logs can _not_ prove that they didn't cheat. >>Nor can they prove that they did. I'll be more than happy to set up a demo >>for you where _I_ make crafty play a move, and the logs will make it apparent >>that _it_ chose that move. Would take an hour of programming. >> >>You can not prove a negative. >> >> >>> >>>I do not think it will be resolved. I think IBM got a "free bee", >>>packed thier toy and went home. IBM has no incentive to say or do >>>anything else and will not. IMHO. :) >>> >>>Best Regards, >>>Chris Carson >> >> >> >>What else is there to say?
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