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Subject: Re: DT and DB (prototype) vs Computers

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 20:10:12 01/24/00

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On January 24, 2000 at 16:02:48, Ernst A. Heinz wrote:

>>Sure, but it did full singular extensions and the rest of the things we were
>>all doing then.
>
>I do not remember having heard or read Hans Berliner talk/publish
>about singular extensions in "Hitech".
>
>Please enlighten me where you got that information from.

From sitting across the board from them at an ACM event.  Murray was at
the table as well, and we had a long discussion about singular extensions
after deep though was using them.  They implemented them in HiTech very
quickly after the idea was published...  That was the reason I added them
to Cray Blitz...  I had used this sort of idea a long while back, at the
suggestion of someone whose name I don't recall.  It didn't work well in
1978 and I removed them from the program just prior to the ACM event that
year, because it costs us well over one ply, and going from 5 to 4 was a
killer.

They were using them in at least the last few ACM events... I don't recall
when they added them.  You could probably ask Murray since he probably wrote
the code for adding them to HiTech.  They were also using Ken's databases in
the search (not only at the root) way back then too...



>
>>I don't use futility pruning now.  I am convinced it is too
>>risky after fiddling with it for a couple of years.
>
>Oh, really -- you do not use futility pruning at frontier nodes?

No.  I did, but found several positions where it simply was at odds with
the normal extensions...



>
>This can actually be made theoretically sound, so where is the
>risk?

If you lop off one ply, you overlook some tactics.  I don't see any way
around that at all...  I stopped seeing some types of nonsense when I got
rid of them, which made the search more stable.




>
>=Ernst=



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