Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 09:42:07 01/26/00
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On January 26, 2000 at 08:57:43, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >On January 26, 2000 at 08:48:03, Ed Schröder wrote: > >>On January 26, 2000 at 08:26:42, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >> >>>On January 26, 2000 at 07:45:02, Ed Schröder wrote: >>> >>>>On January 26, 2000 at 07:17:05, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >>>> >>>>>About being "World champion, the rest is details", it's a classic case of >>>>>hypostatization, which is "to attribute real identity to a concept." >>>>> >>>>>1. We create a Swiss tournament of 11 rounds and name it World Championship. >>>>>2. Program X wins the tournament and becomes World Champion. >>>>>3. We are to believe that program X is the best because it is the World Champion >>>>>and the rest is details. >>>>> >>>>>If this 11 round tournament would have given another name, for instance ICCA >>>>>championship, steps 2 and 3 wouldn't cross anybody's mind. >>>>> >>>>>With this I don't intend to attack Shredder 4, Junior 4.6 or Fritz 3, all fine >>>>>programs and none of them the best, but to question the meaning of a name. >>>>> >>>>>No human would become world champion after playing a total of 11 games in his >>>>>life, and I don't think programs should either. >>>>> >>>>>Enrique >>>> >>>>Would you knock off the Champions League? It's the same system and generally >>>>accepted. The one who wins is the strongest. >>> >>>Therefore Junior 4.6 was the strongest, and you know it wasn't. >>> >>>You can't compare chess and football, for the same reason that you can't compare >>>apples and oranges. But if you want to stick to your analogy, imagine a >>>Champions League consisting of 5 minute games. >>> >>>Imagine also that FIDE organizes a World Championship in the form of a Swiss >>>tournament of 11 rounds. Whould you consider the winner as World Champion? The >>>Las Vegas thing crowned Khalifman as World Champion. Who believes in it? >>>Kasparov is World Champion after winning many matches of all sort and an >>>extraordinary career. We all believe he is the World Champion. >>> >>>Enrique >> >>That was not my point. When Barcelona wins the Champions League or Holland >>becomes world champion does that mean they are the strongest? > >If the Barcelona wins, yes. :) > >Still apples and oranges... No. Under the Paderborn conditions Shredder was the strongest and became world champion. Manual games, book preparation, some luck. Auto232 is about others conditions: long matches, book learning etc. IMO a WCC is something else than SSDF. Both have their values and often both show different winners. Ed >Enrique > >>Ed
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