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Subject: Re: Can somebody post Fritz's 25 move defeat in Israel? Incredible!

Author: Torstein Hall

Date: 11:01:03 01/29/00

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On January 29, 2000 at 04:27:53, blass uri wrote:

>On January 29, 2000 at 03:40:01, blass uri wrote:
>
>>On January 28, 2000 at 18:06:06, Torstein Hall wrote:
>>
>>>On January 28, 2000 at 17:57:46, Torstein Hall wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 27, 2000 at 17:40:11, blass uri wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 27, 2000 at 16:25:49, Torstein Hall wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On January 27, 2000 at 06:44:50, blass uri wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On January 27, 2000 at 05:35:01, stuart taylor wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On January 27, 2000 at 02:18:23, Shanti wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Here it is :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>[Event "?"]
>>>>>>>>>[Site "?"]
>>>>>>>>>[Date "2000.01.21"]
>>>>>>>>>[Round "2"]
>>>>>>>>>[White "Soffer, Ram"]
>>>>>>>>>[Black "Fritz 6"]
>>>>>>>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>>>>>>>[ECO "A06"]
>>>>>>>>>[PlyCount "49"]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>1. Nf3 c5 2. e3 Nf6 3. b3 d5 4. Bb2 Nc6 5. Bb5 Bd7 6. O-O e6 7. d3 Be7 8. Nbd2
>>>>>>>>>O-O 9. Qe2 a6 10. Bxc6 Bxc6 11. Ne5 Qc7 12. f4 b5 13. Nxc6 Qxc6 14. Nf3 Nd7 15.
>>>>>>>>>Ne5 Nxe5 16. fxe5 c4 17. Bd4 b4 18. Rf2 c3 19. Raf1 a5 20. Qh5 Qe8 21. Rf6 Qb5
>>>>>>>>>22. R1f3 Rfc8 23. Qxf7+ Kh8 24. Qxe7 Qe8 25. Rxe6 1-0
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Bye, Shanti
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On January 27, 2000 at 00:49:44, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>thanks Jouni
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Incredible! simple! instructive!   Surely there was luck in it.He just made the
>>>>>>>>right efforts, and it turned out very well.
>>>>>>>>  What were the main mistakes of computer, and what were the main anti-computer
>>>>>>>>moves of Ram Sofer?
>>>>>>>>  We see that fritz abandoned his King, but was 14...Nd7 wrong?  after that I
>>>>>>>>don't think it would have been easy even for a human as black, but what did he
>>>>>>>>do so bad before move 14?
>>>>>>>>   21.Rf6!! is the final blow, but wasn't it a bit of luck that such a move
>>>>>>>>existed?
>>>>>>>>  I myself wouldn't have known to have played 15.Ne5.(blocking own bishop and
>>>>>>>>doubling pawns etc.but maybe the opening of f-file against weakly defended king
>>>>>>>>with so little mobility-made it a sure thing)  Was this distinctly
>>>>>>>>anti-computer?
>>>>>>>>  Stuart Taylor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I think that 20...Qe8 was the decisive mistake.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think its lost far earlier. How do you improve on 20...a4 21.Rf6 axb3 22.axb3
>>>>>>g6 ( if 22...Qe8 23.R1f3 Ra1+ 24.Kf2 and prettu soon Rh3 and bye bye black.
>>>>>>)23.Qh6 Ra2 24.R1f3 and its all over like in the game.
>>>>>
>>>>>after axb3 axb3 chessmaster prefers Qa6 expecting Rxf7
>>>>>if R1f3 Qa1+ Kf2?? Ra2
>>>>>
>>>>>Uri
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps I was a bit fast. But I think black has it difficult if White improves
>>>>the line 20...a4 with 21.Rf3 If now 21...Qa6 then 22.Rh3 wins after 22...h6
>>>>23.Rg3 Kh8 and again 24.Rh6!
>>>>So if we go back to the position after 20...a4 21.Rf3 I think its difficult for
>>>>black improve. White just has to time his attack after black defence so no
>>>>"evil" checks come in from the a line. :-)
>>>>
>>>>Torstein
>>>
>>>Whoops, I mixed it up a bit as I forgot the 21..axb 22.axb in between.
>>>
>>>I think I got it right if I say it like :
>>>But I think black has it difficult if White improves
>>>>the line 20...a4 with 21.Rf3 If now 21.axb axb 22...Qa6 then 23.Rh3 wins after 23...h6 24.Rg3 Kh8 and again 25.Rf6!
>>>So if we go back to the position after 20...a4 21.Rf3
>>>[D]r4rk1/4bppp/2q1p3/3pP2Q/1p1B4/1PpPPR2/2P3PP/5RK1 b - - 0 22
>>>
>>>I think its difficult for black improve. White just has to time his attack after
>>>black defence so no "evil" checks come in from the a line. :-)
>>>
>>>Torstein
>>
>>chessmaster6000(ss=10) cannot see a losing evaluation for black after 21.Rf3.
>>The main line begin with 21...axb3 22.axb3 Qc7 23.Rxf7 Qd7
>>
>>It now considers h6 for a long time and may changes its mind to h6.
>>I do not see a win for white after h6
>>
>>I gave it some hours to analyze but it could see axb3 axb3 Qc7 in a few minutes.
>>
>>Uri
>
>h6 is the last choice of chessmaster6000 after 4-5 hours.
>main line begin with h6 Rxf7 Qe8
>
>The line with 21...axb3 22.axb3 Qc7 Rxf7 was not the from the last iteration
>It changes the move Rxf7 in this line in the last iteration.
>
>Chessmaster can see only an advantage of slightly more than 1 pawn for white
>both with 21...axb3 and with 21...h6
>
>Uri

I have not the energy to look at this position again at the moment, but I feel
white should win quite easy, just look out for nasty checks at a line. The
treath of Rh3, Rg3 and Rf6 etc. forces weak point in blacks position and then
soon check mate. And by the way, I feel that whites worst option is to take on
f7 with the rook!

Torstein



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