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Subject: Re: Recommended version of Visual C++?

Author: Dan Newman

Date: 20:28:56 02/01/00

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On February 01, 2000 at 20:08:23, Tom Kerrigan wrote:

>On February 01, 2000 at 18:20:03, Dan Newman wrote:
>
>>On February 01, 2000 at 13:25:34, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>>
>>>On February 01, 2000 at 12:22:02, Mike Carter wrote:
>>>
>>>>I started writing a Visual Basic chess program but have decided to migrate to
>>>>C++.  Checking out Microsoft compilers, the Enterprise version of 6.0 seems to
>>>>be overkill (and at $1300 out of price range!).  Microsoft's Standard version of
>>>>C++ 6.0 is about $100 and the Professional version is $550.  Assuming I'm using
>>>>this to write chess code exclusively, is the extra $450 justified to move up to
>>>>Professional?  Or is another company (e.g. Borland) a better choice/value? (If
>>>>it matters, I have a Pentium II 400 MHz with 128Mb RAM and would eventually like
>>>>to port the program to WinBoard).  Many thanks in advance for your opinion!
>>>>
>>>>Mike Carter  (MrMike on ICC)
>>>>mcarter@tdi.net
>>>
>>>I have recently been in contact with someone who owns the "standard" edition.
>>>I'm not 100% certain, but it seems that this edition does NOT do optimizations.
>>>
>>>A compiler that does not do optimizations is a waste of money, because you can
>>>get GCC for free, and it does a respectable job of optimizing. VC does a better
>>>job, but not $550 better... :)
>>>
>>>Actually, VC has a decent IDE and a pretty good online help system; this may be
>>>worth $100 to you.
>>>
>>>I know I'm going to get flamed for saying this, but current Borland products are
>>>crap. They produce slow programs, and the IDEs are poorly implemented and
>>>totally bug-ridden. (To be fair, the last time I used a Borland compiler was 2
>>>years ago, and the situation may have improved since then.)
>>>
>>>-Tom
>>
>>I (briefly) had the "standard" edition and returned it.  As I recall it did do
>>optimizations, but it didn't give you any way to control them--other than
>>on/off--which wasn't acceptable...  And it had no profiler...
>>
>>-Dan.
>
>The profiler is not a good reason to buy any version of VC. It's an absolute
>POS.
>
>-Tom

Yeah, I've tried to use it a couple of times and got nowhere--well, I did
finally get some output, but couldn't really make any sense of it...  So,
yes, POS...

Watcom's was much better--it even had a GUI interface, but Watcom is defunct :(

-Dan.



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