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Subject: Re: Rebel Century is still the strongest against humans

Author: John Warfield

Date: 18:26:35 02/07/00

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On February 07, 2000 at 20:56:38, Charles Unruh wrote:

>On February 07, 2000 at 20:42:26, John Warfield wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>  Unless someone can produce some evidence to the contrary, I still believe
>>rebel is clearly better against humans than the other programs. I think the
>>combined aegon results as well as the GM Challenge prove this. Computer Vs
>>Computer chess proves very little, Evidence is that Annand was able to crush
>>fritz but could do very little against Rebel, Yet Fritz consistently defeats
>>Rebel, what does all this tell you?
>
>Well firstly i haven't seen Anand play Fritz in a 40/2.  Further i  seriously
>doubt(no offense intended) that you can get 5 people around here that will
>support the idea that Rebel is stronger than Fritz period in 5 minute games.
>Also from looking at actual games, Rebel falls not even for fantastically
>brilliant combos but really quite simple ones that are well in the capability of
>GM's.  To me if you play good chess you wont get absolutely blown out as Rebel
>has in the cadaques tournament.


 I don't think you are referring to Rebel Century! It is every bit as tactically
adept as Fritz, now I will admit that rebel 10 may have failed tactically but
certainly not Century. All enriques tournament shows is that Ed is correct about
the auto-player putting rebel at a disadvantage.




  I think Rebel is a good solid program, and
>definitely above 2500 on fast hardware (P500s and above).  Recently Enrique said
>that J6 was the only program not to fall into line with his test suite, and this
>was because it's the only progam who's positional strength surpassed its
>tactical strength.  I then told Enrique that "if Rebels positional strength
>didn't surpass its tactical strength then rebel was in trouble".  Enrique
>replied that rebel was indeed in trouble :)(Though he made mention of Ed's
>patch).   As an analysis engine of my games i think Fritz has the clearest
>vision.



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