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Subject: Re: Response to Mig, Adams-DJ case

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:59:51 02/19/00

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On February 19, 2000 at 07:55:47, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:

>On February 19, 2000 at 07:28:30, Martin wrote:
>
>>On February 18, 2000 at 16:58:41, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On February 18, 2000 at 09:32:07, Martin wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 18, 2000 at 08:16:32, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>[snip]
>>>>>
>>>>>Then answer this:  Had Kasparov been unable to connect against Adams, what
>>>>>would have happened?  OK.  Suppose it wasn't Kasparov.  Suppose it was some
>>>>>lesser GM against Adams.  And _he_ couldn't connect because his ISP had been
>>>>>attacked by one of these denial-of-service attacks?  And after you answer both
>>>>>of those, why is your answer different for Deep Junior, which is _obviously_
>>>>>will be.  I think _that_ is the thing most of us simply "don't get"...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Would you like to be handled the same way as a machine?" Maybe this is the
>>>>question 'most of us' should ask themselves...
>>>>
>>>>Martin
>>>
>>>
>>>In a tournament where the machine and I pay the same entry fee?  Yes.
>>
>>Hmm, so the money dictates the attitude? Maybe I'm just too romantic...
>
>When you ask "Would you like to be handled the same way as a machine?", you
>forget that Amir and Shay are persons too.
>
>A less emotional point: a participant, man or machine, is a participant with
>equal rights. I have little doubts that the forced forfeit of Deep Junior has
>distorted, even ruined, the Grand Prix.
>
>Enrique


There is another point.  I have been doing computer chess over 30 years.  I
have spent a huge amount of time/effort doing so.  _every_ programmer that has
written a program, whether it is a rank beginner or the world champion, has
spent a huge amount of time.  I am sure that _I_ have spent as much time on
computer chess development as most GMs have spent studying chess.  I suspect
others have as well.  Does _that_ effort mean nothing compared to the effort
a GM has expended?  I don't think so.  Writing a program as strong as Junior
is not easy.  It takes a lot of effort and time.  Just like becoming the number
2 or 3 player in the world from a human perspective.

Somehow the 'programmers' are getting 'lost' in this issue, and it has become
"the hard-working GM opposed to the mass-produced computer".  That isn't the
way it is at all...



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