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Subject: Re: Response to Mig, Adams-DJ case

Author: Terry Presgrove

Date: 09:07:09 02/19/00

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On February 19, 2000 at 10:59:51, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On February 19, 2000 at 07:55:47, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>
>>On February 19, 2000 at 07:28:30, Martin wrote:
>>
>>>On February 18, 2000 at 16:58:41, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 18, 2000 at 09:32:07, Martin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On February 18, 2000 at 08:16:32, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>[snip]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Then answer this:  Had Kasparov been unable to connect against Adams, what
>>>>>>would have happened?  OK.  Suppose it wasn't Kasparov.  Suppose it was some
>>>>>>lesser GM against Adams.  And _he_ couldn't connect because his ISP had been
>>>>>>attacked by one of these denial-of-service attacks?  And after you answer both
>>>>>>of those, why is your answer different for Deep Junior, which is _obviously_
>>>>>>will be.  I think _that_ is the thing most of us simply "don't get"...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Would you like to be handled the same way as a machine?" Maybe this is the
>>>>>question 'most of us' should ask themselves...
>>>>>
>>>>>Martin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>In a tournament where the machine and I pay the same entry fee?  Yes.
>>>
>>>Hmm, so the money dictates the attitude? Maybe I'm just too romantic...
>>
>>When you ask "Would you like to be handled the same way as a machine?", you
>>forget that Amir and Shay are persons too.
>>
>>A less emotional point: a participant, man or machine, is a participant with
>>equal rights. I have little doubts that the forced forfeit of Deep Junior has
>>distorted, even ruined, the Grand Prix.
>>
>>Enrique
>
>
>There is another point.  I have been doing computer chess over 30 years.  I
>have spent a huge amount of time/effort doing so.  _every_ programmer that has
>written a program, whether it is a rank beginner or the world champion, has
>spent a huge amount of time.  I am sure that _I_ have spent as much time on
>computer chess development as most GMs have spent studying chess.  I suspect
>others have as well.  Does _that_ effort mean nothing compared to the effort
>a GM has expended?  I don't think so.  Writing a program as strong as Junior
>is not easy.  It takes a lot of effort and time.  Just like becoming the number
>2 or 3 player in the world from a human perspective.
>
>Somehow the 'programmers' are getting 'lost' in this issue, and it has become
>"the hard-working GM opposed to the mass-produced computer".  That isn't the
>way it is at all...


 Excellent point!



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