Author: Terry Presgrove
Date: 09:07:09 02/19/00
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On February 19, 2000 at 10:59:51, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On February 19, 2000 at 07:55:47, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: > >>On February 19, 2000 at 07:28:30, Martin wrote: >> >>>On February 18, 2000 at 16:58:41, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On February 18, 2000 at 09:32:07, Martin wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 18, 2000 at 08:16:32, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>[snip] >>>>>> >>>>>>Then answer this: Had Kasparov been unable to connect against Adams, what >>>>>>would have happened? OK. Suppose it wasn't Kasparov. Suppose it was some >>>>>>lesser GM against Adams. And _he_ couldn't connect because his ISP had been >>>>>>attacked by one of these denial-of-service attacks? And after you answer both >>>>>>of those, why is your answer different for Deep Junior, which is _obviously_ >>>>>>will be. I think _that_ is the thing most of us simply "don't get"... >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>"Would you like to be handled the same way as a machine?" Maybe this is the >>>>>question 'most of us' should ask themselves... >>>>> >>>>>Martin >>>> >>>> >>>>In a tournament where the machine and I pay the same entry fee? Yes. >>> >>>Hmm, so the money dictates the attitude? Maybe I'm just too romantic... >> >>When you ask "Would you like to be handled the same way as a machine?", you >>forget that Amir and Shay are persons too. >> >>A less emotional point: a participant, man or machine, is a participant with >>equal rights. I have little doubts that the forced forfeit of Deep Junior has >>distorted, even ruined, the Grand Prix. >> >>Enrique > > >There is another point. I have been doing computer chess over 30 years. I >have spent a huge amount of time/effort doing so. _every_ programmer that has >written a program, whether it is a rank beginner or the world champion, has >spent a huge amount of time. I am sure that _I_ have spent as much time on >computer chess development as most GMs have spent studying chess. I suspect >others have as well. Does _that_ effort mean nothing compared to the effort >a GM has expended? I don't think so. Writing a program as strong as Junior >is not easy. It takes a lot of effort and time. Just like becoming the number >2 or 3 player in the world from a human perspective. > >Somehow the 'programmers' are getting 'lost' in this issue, and it has become >"the hard-working GM opposed to the mass-produced computer". That isn't the >way it is at all... Excellent point!
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