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Subject: Re: Find the winning move

Author: Mike S.

Date: 09:39:46 03/05/00

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On March 05, 2000 at 11:32:07, John A. Gonzales wrote:

[D]6k1/2p2r1p/2PrQ3/P7/8/4K3/1P5P/8 w - - 0 1
>
>In the above position, with white to move, I'm wondering if any of the top
>programs give Qxd6 as winning (...)

I've tested some ChessBase engines, none of which chooses Qxd6 within 1 minute
on K6-2/400. Relatively best was Little Goliath 2000a; after entering Qxd6
manually, it came up fast with a big white advantage in the evaluation ("T" for
the Rooks here):

Analysis by LiGo2000a: (K6-2/400 10 MB Hash)

1...cxd6 2.b4 Tc7
  ²  (0.45)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:00  1kN
(...)
1...cxd6 2.b4 Ta7 3.b5 Tc7 4.a6 Tc8
  +-  (1.97)   Tiefe: 8   00:00:00  10kN
1...cxd6 2.b4 Ta7 3.b5 Tc7 4.a6 Tc8
  +-  (1.97)   Tiefe: 9   00:00:00  81kN
1...cxd6 2.b4 Tf5 3.c7 Tf8 4.b5 d5 5.b6 Tc8 6.b7
  +-  (3.15)   Tiefe: 9   00:00:05  81kN
1...cxd6 2.b4 Tf5 3.c7 Tf8 4.b5 d5 5.b6 Tc8 6.b7
  +-  (3.15)   Tiefe: 10   00:00:05  1323kN
1...cxd6 2.b4 Tf5 3.c7 Tf8 4.b5 d5 5.b6 Tc8 6.b7
  +-  (2.72)   Tiefe: 11   00:00:14  4206kN
1...cxd6 2.b4 Tc7 3.b5 Kf7 4.Kd4 Ke7 5.b6 Txc6 6.b7 Ta6 7.b8D Txa5
  +-  (3.74)   Tiefe: 11   00:00:42  4206kN
1...cxd6 2.b4 Tc7 3.b5 Kf7 4.Kd4 Ke7 5.b6 Txc6 6.b7 Ta6 7.b8D Txa5
  +-  (3.74)   Tiefe: 12   00:00:43  14949kN

Shredder 3, usually one of the best endgamers, takes more time to evaluate that
high for white. CSTal II was better here, -3.x after 4 seconds (on the black
move).
The prog's feel fine with the queen (around +2.x), but I think due to the
remaining presence of the queen on the board, they may not be able to reach the
necessary depth to sacrifice it. It's often a problem in endgame positions; the
queen has just too much possible moves, and the selective methods sometimes
can't filter enough out as it seems.

Regards,
M.Scheidl



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