Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 08:15:16 09/23/97

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On September 23, 1997 at 10:50:29, Chris Whittington wrote: > >On September 23, 1997 at 09:08:02, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: > >> >>On September 23, 1997 at 06:36:27, Dirk Frickenschmidt wrote: >> >>>Hi everybody, >>> >>>I'm glad to return to computer chess again here after all the >>>ad-hominem-BS in rgcc. >>> >>>When I got Alexej Shriov (Top 10 GM in FIDE and PCA) to playing some >>>blitz testgames against the then new Hiarcs6-engine recentlly and we >>>talked about strong and weak sides of the new programs he came along >>>with one of his favourite test positions from one of his very nice >>>games (critical move 24, german notation having D for Q [queen], T for >>>R [rook], L for B [bishop] S for N [knight], ): >>> >>>Shirov,A (2695) - Piket,J (2625) [D52] >>> Amsterdam Donner (6), 1995 >>> [Shirov /DF] >>> >>>1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Sc3 Sf6 4.Sf3 e6 5.Lg5 Sbd7 6.e3 Da5 7.cxd5 Sxd5 >>> 8.Dd2 Lb4 9.Tc1 h6 10.Lh4 0-0 11.Ld3 Te8!? N (11...e5) 12.a3 Lxc3 >>> 13.bxc3 Dxa3 14.0-0 e5 [14...Df8!?] 15.Sxe5! [15.dxe5?! Dc5 with the >>> idea 16...a5, 17...a4.] 15...Sxe5 16.dxe5 Dc5!? [16...Txe5 17.e4 Sb6 >>> 18.f4 with the idea 19 f5.] 17.Kh1 Le6 [17...Txe5 18.e4 Th5?! 19.Lg3 >>> Sf6 20.Tce1!±] 18.e4 Sb6 19.f4 Lc4 20.Tf3! Lxd3 21.Txd3 Dc4?! >>> [21...Kh7] 22.Te1 Kh7 23.Th3 Te6? [23...Dc5 24.Lg5! A) 24...Sc4 >>> 25.Dd7! Df2 26.Tg1 Kg8 27.Lxh6 gxh6 28.Dg4+ Kf8 29.Txh6+-; B) >>>24...Df8 >>> B1) 25.f5? Sc4 26.Df4 Sxe5 27.f6 Te6 28.Tf1 (28.fxg7 Dxg7 29.Lxh6 >>>Txh6 >>> 30.Txh6+ Dxh6 31.Dxe5 Tg8!÷) 28...Tae8 29.fxg7 Dxg7 30.Lf6 Dg6 31.Tg3 >>> Txf6 32.Dxf6 Dxf6 33.Txf6 a5; B2) 25.Tf1! 25...Kg8 (25...Te6 26.f5 >>> Txe5 27.f6+-) 26.De2! Te6 (26...hxg5 27.Dh5 f6 28.fxg5 Txe5 29.Dh7+ >>>Kf7 >>> 30.Txf6++-) 27.f5 Txe5 28.Lf4 Ta5 29.f6 g5 30.Ld6 Dxd6 31.Txh6+-; C) >>> 24...Kg8 25.Lxh6 gxh6 26.f5! Df8 27.Txh6 Txe5 28.Th5! (28.Dg5+?! Dg7 >>> 29.Dh4 Sd5!÷) 28...f6 29.Da2+ Sd5 (29...Df7? 30.Th8+ Kg7 31.Th7++-; >>> 29...Kg7? 30.Te3+-) 30.Te3!± with the idea 30...Kf7 31.Th7+ Ke8 >>>32.Teh3 >>> Txe4 (32...Sf4 33.T3h4 Td8 34.h3 Txe4 35.Th8+-) 33.Db1 Sxc3 34.Txc3 >>>Te7 >>> 35.Tch3+-] >>> >>>24.Lf6!+- >>> [DF 24.Lg5!! An even stronger move winning right away found out later >>>by >>> Shirov. >>> Hiarcs6 didn't find the move overnight. Well, Fritz 5 found the idea in >>>acceptable analysis time! (P133 with only 4Mb Hash after 3hours 50 >>>minutes) >>> >>>24...gxf6 25.f5 fxe5™ 26.fxe6 Dxe6 27.Tf1 Sc4 [27...Tf8 28.Tf5 Kg7 >>> (28...Sc4 29.Df2 Kg7 30.Tg3+ Kh7 31.Tf6+-) 29.Txe5 Sc4 30.Tg3+ Kh7 >>> 31.Txe6 Sxd2 32.Te7 a5 33.Td3 Sb3 34.Tf3 Sc5 35.Tf5 b6 36.Tfxf7+ Txf7 >>> 37.Txf7+ Kg8 38.Tc7 Sxe4 39.Txc6 b5 40.c4 b4 41.Ta6+-] 28.Txh6+ Dxh6 >>> 29.Txf7+ Kg6 30.Tf6+ Kxf6 31.Dxh6+ Ke7 32.Dg7+ Kd6 33.Dxb7 [33.Df6+ >>>Kc5 >>> 34.De7++-] 33...Sb6 34.h4 Kc5 35.h5 a5 36.h6 1-0 >>> >>>I regard the critical position as a very useful test concerning the >>>tactical abilities of a strong new new program (nothing more, nothing >>>less). Remember: Fritz had to reach ply 16 to get the point. >>> >>> >>>Now I am curious to see what the latest versions of the other programs >>>do on your different hardware? >> >>I tried with Rebel 9 beta on a P120/32. It finds Bf6 almost >>immediately, then it prefers Bg5 at ply 8.04, after 1' 25'', but it >>fails low at ply 10 and it plays a different move. Bg5 is found again >>at ply 12.01, 42' 45'' +1.21. >> > > >Hey, Ed - you've been disassembling my program ? :) > >Ply 8 only finds this position by evaluation function ....... Hey Chris, didn't Thorsten tell you I got your sources? Still having lots of migraine attacks since then... :))) - Ed - >Chris > > >>Enrique >> >>>Please post your results here. >>> >>>Kind reagards, being back in computer chess >>> >>>Yours Dirk >>> >>>

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