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Subject: Re: Solution is to revise the rules! FIDE did it before, then it reverted ..

Author: blass uri

Date: 20:53:40 04/06/00

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On April 06, 2000 at 22:09:29, Robert Hyatt wrote:

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> A solution is known,
>and has been known for many years (store both DTC and DTM in the database.)

I think that storing only DTC when storing draw if the DTC>50 is better.

>At present it seems to be more interesting to ignore this and get into 6 piece
>files (my ftp site now has 32 gigs of databases for public consumption)...  but
>before long, the interest will switch to solving the mates for real, once we
>start getting table mates in 300+.  At present the number of mates that violate
>the 50 move rules are very infrequent.  In the 6 piece files they will become
>more common.  In the 7 piece files more so...
>
>So one day, this problem will totally disappear as the databases will let us
>go for the shortest mate that lets us do a 'conversion' prior to the 50-move
>rule.  I can see how DTC will solve the case of a mate in 80, as you only
>need one conversion to mate...  but for mates in 200, I am not yet sure how to
>solve this, as you might have two moves at the root, one that says mate in 300,
>conversion in 48, the other says mate in 320, conversion in 47.  But after
>the conversion in 47, you discover that the next conversion is 60 moves away
>and you are dead...

In this case it is not conversion in 47 because the conversion leads to a draw
position.

conversion in 47 is only if you can force a winning conversion in 47 moves.


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>This is impossible.  Because a computer can't 'touch' a piece..  If the operator
>makes the wrong move, no one wants to make the program have to live with that
>bad move...   the CC events are all about computer vs computer, not computer
>vs computer with human mistakes influencing the outcome...

Not all of them.
In the Israeli league I made the wrong move for Rebel because and the shredder
operator did not agree to let me take the move back and the rules said that I
have to live with the wrong move.

Uri



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