Author: blass uri
Date: 20:15:58 04/16/00
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On April 16, 2000 at 21:16:02, Djordje Vidanovic wrote: >On April 16, 2000 at 16:25:06, Bertil Eklund wrote: > >>On April 15, 2000 at 21:09:45, Dave Gomboc wrote: >> >>>On April 13, 2000 at 13:37:13, Thorsten Czub wrote: >>> >>>You've accused Chessbase's autoplayer of distorting results in the past -- even >>>as long as two years ago -- and while you didn't post on that topic for a while, >>>it looks like you've jumped on that bandwagon again. Why don't you reply to >>>this message, and flat-out accuse ChessBase of writing autoplayer software that >>>fraudulently gives programs that are distributed by them an advantage? I can >>>only hope that they might then sue you for defamation, because then you might >>>learn from that experience that you should be more responsible about what you >>>say, and that you should either have actual facts to back up such a serious >>>allegation of mispropriety or not make it in the first place. >>> >>>Dave >> >>Hi! >> >>Read the excellent letters from Djordje and Enrique (in english) >>in Computerschach-forum >> >>http://www.computerschach.de/forum/index.html >> >>Bertil > > >To help out some people read what I wrote in the CSS Forum, I've decided to get >it all off my chest and repost here. My posting there was a reaction to the >nauseous discussion on the veracity of the SSDF rating list and the alleged role >of the autoplayer software as a cheating device: > >"I held back my opinion on CCC, hoping that ugliness would soon be replaced by >normality. However, now that you've brought this issue up again, sort of rubbing >salt in my sore wound, I will have to react and say that I simply can't >understand some things. First, what is it in the nature of humans to make them >wish to topple anybody that sticks out? (Perhaps the notorious psychological >syndrome of the Odd Man Out?) > >Secondly, is it possible for anyone who knows people such as Frans Morsch and >Mathias Feist for example, to ever conceive ideas about their plotting to rig up >the Autoplayer software so that ChessBase programs will be favoured? > >Thirdly, if some of the people that have taken part in the discussion on CCC do >think that Morsch and Feist are capable of this, why don't they say it out right >away? And, when saying this, why don't they offer reproducible and >incontrovertible evidence? Otherwise, what they say will be nothing else but >hearsay or pure, unadulterated waddle. > >It appears that some guys have been putting spokes in the wheels of ChessBase >for no particular reason other than to disparage them. These people can be >either Thorsten Czub or Stefan Meyer-Kahlen, or both of them, as evidenced in >the discussion sample. Naturally, Stefan did this in a much subtler manner, >dropping hints hither and thither and skulking back when necessary. Stefan is not the problem here. He did not say something bad about chessbase. The problems are: 1)not all the games are public so it is impossible to check if they are mistakes in the not public games. I discovered that Junior was slowed down in some public games because the tester ran another application in the same time so the tester repeated the games. It is impossible to find similiar cases when the games are not public. 2)The autoplayer is not something that is 100% correct and there are mistakes because of the autoplayer and it has nothing to do with chessbase. If we do not reproduce all the games manually we cannot catch all of these mistakes. Uri
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