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Subject: Re: How hard is chess?

Author: Dan Ellwein

Date: 13:35:15 04/25/00

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On April 25, 2000 at 14:50:19, leonid wrote:

>On April 25, 2000 at 14:08:44, KarinsDad wrote:
>
>>On April 25, 2000 at 09:33:03, leonid wrote:
>>
>>>On April 24, 2000 at 17:58:43, José Antônio Fabiano Mendes wrote:
>>>
>>>>http://www.cs.yale.edu/op-ed/how_hard_is_chess.html   JAFM
>>>
>>>Very liked this article. In short it say that computer will be never so smart as
>>>human and human will be never surpassed by creature that itself created.
>>>
>>>Only reason for my happiness I see more in psychological side of me, as human,
>>>that in pure logic. Who will not like to see himself as unique and impossible to
>>>imitate crature? Everybody! About the conclusion that computer created by human
>>>could never be over its initial creator, this is a tricky one. If one day
>>>squirrel will ask itself one human question: Can some machine, created by me,
>>>start jumping from tree to tree like squirrel? Or can some machine overcome
>>>squirrel by flying over entire forest? Response will be categorical, no! No way!
>>>Partially because it is natural for every animal to think that it is unique and
>>>created by God. In the same time making the airplane is too greate project for
>>>squirrel thinking capacity. Beyond its imagination as well, after continuous
>>>cuts in public education, done by federal gouvernment, during the last 10 years.
>>>
>>>Leonid.
>>
>>From the article:
>>
>>"The gap between human and surrogate is permanent and will never be closed.
>>Machines will continue to make life easier, healthier, richer and more puzzling.
>>And human beings will continue to care, ultimately, about the same things they
>>always have: about themselves, about one another and, many of them, about God.
>>On those terms, machines have never made a difference. And they never will."
>>
>>People also once said that we would never get to the moon. We would never break
>>the sound barrier. Etc., etc., etc.
>>
>>The point is that nobody really knows. Maybe a machine will actually think one
>>day. Maybe sooner than people imagine. Maybe the God(s) that a lot of people
>>worship is actually a machine that was able to evolve itself beyond the laws of
>>physics until it could actually create a reality. Maybe we are inside the mind
>>of that machine right now. Who knows?
>>
>>KarinsDad :)
>
>God for me is nothing more that the next programmer that had bad habit to do his
>code work in rash. Sometime I do the same. After available data, he did his
>programming in only 7 days. He never came back, after the same source, to fix
>his bugs.

actually... it was 6 days...

i guess He had to take a day of rest after all that 'rashing' He was doin'...

:)

the pilgrim
>
>Human is nothing more that complicated and automatic machine capable to
>reproduce itself. When we speak about creation by human the next machine, even
>more sofisticated that human, I see here few questions.
>
>Is human itself capable of doing something of this magnitude? Response - not
>that sure. Maybe it is truly out of its capability and motivation.
>
>Other question. Can be artificially created something more advanced that human
>being in general? Here I see two responses. First: Never, ever! This time after
>my pcichological drive. The second one, this time after simple logic: Why not!
>For sure!
>
>Leonid.



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