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Subject: Re: Crafty 17-10 v Fritz 6a Two machines Nunn 1 @ 5 mins ?

Author: José Antônio Fabiano Mendes

Date: 13:22:16 05/02/00

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On May 01, 2000 at 23:05:06, Chessfun wrote:

>On May 01, 2000 at 18:44:04, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On May 01, 2000 at 10:11:51, Mogens Larsen wrote:
>>
>>>On May 01, 2000 at 09:32:07, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>It isn't like the Nunn test itself doesn't skew results, remember.  IE the
>>>>opening book of the engine is eliminated, which means all the book learning
>>>>of the engine is eliminated. Now other forms of learning are eliminated.  This
>>>>doesn't exactly sound like a "useful test".  IE would it be interesting to take
>>>>two automobiles, remove one spark plug from each, drain the transmission on
>>>>both cars... (wait, one car doesn't have a transmission, just a direct drive,
>>>>oh well, drain the other)  and so forth.
>>>
>>>I agree with you most of the way, even though I'm trying to be less
>>>confrontational (fat chance) :o). What is your take on the one or two machine
>>>issue with ponder off. Will the autoplay feature (and various other differences
>>>from one to two computers) of two computers with ponder on, skew the comparison
>>>with one machine and ponder off? And if yes, how significant would it be? If
>>>not, be gentle about my ignorance :o).
>>
>>I believe that ponder=on and ponder=off are two different things.  I don't
>>know how it will affect the results, because I don't spend any time testing
>>against anyone with ponder=off.  But I do know that ponder=off is _not_ tested
>>very well in my code because I consider it pointless to use it except for
>>testing/debugging.  If it affects others like it does me, then perhaps the
>>games are 'valid'.  If they have tested ponder=off to any degree, then the
>>tests are not valid.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>I must admit that the purpose of the test is starting to allude me as well, but
>>>maybe I'm just not paying attention.
>>>
>>>Best wishes...
>>>Mogens
>>
>>
>>I think a lot of the 'testing' is all about trying to prove that Crafty can't
>>play chess.  IE you start out with a conclusion, then you try to find a way to
>>make that conclusion happen...

Murphy´s Law of Research:Enough research will tend to support your theory.
>
>Definately not....not if you refer to mine.
>Mine started out seeing whether.....to my own satisfaction
>Crafty could beat F6a with ponder=off as I doubted it could.
>There then came posts about ponder=on so I then decided to test
>after with ponder=on.
>
>Crafty is rated in the top five at the SSDF how can anyone try
>to prove "Crafty can't play chess"....this is bunk.
>
>Thanks.



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