Author: Lanny DiBartolomeo
Date: 23:38:49 05/16/00
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On May 16, 2000 at 23:54:22, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On May 16, 2000 at 22:52:20, blass uri wrote: > >>On May 16, 2000 at 22:25:11, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On May 16, 2000 at 22:01:46, Hans Gerber wrote: >>> >>>>On May 16, 2000 at 20:39:21, Charles Milton Ling wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 16, 2000 at 19:31:15, Hans Gerber wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 16, 2000 at 19:04:16, Charles Milton Ling wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>It seems apparent to me that the only way to resolve the problem this game >>>>>>>seemingly posed is that computers (or their operators) NEVER offer draws. Have >>>>>>>fun, humans. (And you won't even be able to protest anymore.) >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I think the rules already say that. F. Morsch should not have offered a draw. >>>>>>But the computer could have been programmed for such draws. Then the draw could >>>>>>be offered. But not in a position with -2. This would be improper behavior >>>>>>anyway. Exception technical draws. >>>>> >>>>>To repeat: computer NEVER offers draws. No arguments possible, no debate. >>>>> >>>>>(As far as improper behaviour is concerned, it is always legitimate to offer a >>>>>draw ONCE, regardless of position. Not necessarily nice, but acceptable. GMs >>>>>do it all the time. You'll have to trust me on this.) >>>>> >>>>>Charley >>>> >>>> >>>>Ok, I trust you. But here we have a different case. According to the rules >>>>Tiviakov couldn't lose the game. He had already a draw in his hands. But he had >>>>a won position. At that moment the operator offered a draw. _Very_ bad behavior. >>>>Tiviakov continued to play, was irritated, blundered and then offered the draw >>>>he could already have moves ago. >>> >>> >>>Please stop quoting something that is _not_ true. Tiviakov did _not_ "have a >>>draw in hand". He was facing a certain loss on time. He had no grounds to claim >>>a draw. a one or two pawn margin is _not_ an automatic win. Fritz was ahead +2 >>>a couple of rounds back and still drew. So that pig won't fly. The rules don't >>>allow a draw claim under these circumstances... to suggest they do is >>>ridiculous. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>To make a funny joke, F. Morsch could also have asked Tiviakov "Mr. Tiviakov, my >>>>assumption is probably correct that your name is Tiviakov, is that true?" I >>>>think you would understand that as improper behavior. But F. Morsch did nothing >>>>else. He offered something, Tiviakov already had! >>> >>> >>>He offered a draw. Tiviakov only had a loss. Draw is better than loss. He >>>did the GM a favor. >> >>It is clear that the GM did not want a draw so offering a draw when you know >>the other side does not want the draw is a bad behaviour. >> >>It is legal to do it (at least in human-human games) but it does not change the >>fact that it is a bad behaviour. >> >>I think that tiviakov can draw against everyone in the final position in 2 >>minutes/game because if the target is only to draw it is easy to do it. >> >>Uri > > >(a) I don't think the GM had any inkling of how the computer plays chess. In >that position, _any_ human would avoid the repetition, knowing the opponent was >going to lose on time. > >(b) if I were in the GM's shoes, I would be playing for a win. But I would >certainly appreciate the sportsmanship of the draw offer and accept it if I >thought I could not win before I flagged. > >(c) Frans had no way to know whether (1) the GM would refuse or (2) the GM was >more than willing to accept since he was losing on time. The only way to answer >the question was to ask. I Believe this is absolutely correct, He was being a nice person by offering a draw and I am certain he didn't expect anyone to be upset over it.
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