Author: Enrique Irazoqui
Date: 06:50:14 05/17/00
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On May 17, 2000 at 09:45:16, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On May 17, 2000 at 05:10:09, Francesco Di Tolla wrote: > >>On May 16, 2000 at 21:34:56, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>The rules don't say when you may offer a draw. >> >>Apparently FIDE has special rules about computer that say that it is the program >>that must ask the draw, not the operator spontanously: I would like to know if >>the program did it or not before to answer. But I strongly doubt Fritz would >>offer draw thinking to speculate/not speculate on the opponents zitenot. >> >>Some also say that this tournaments ignores that part of FIDE rules. >> >> >>>repeatedly offer a draw to intentionally distract/confuse your opponent. >> >>No again: also doing it in the "worng way" is not correct. 9 explicitly states >>that one must not disturb referring to article 12 > > >I see no "disturbing" here. The rules allow a draw offer at any point, so long >as it is made on the clock of the player offering the draw. But even if it >is not offered correctly, a single draw offer is not cause for any sanction, >because one is not considered significant disturbance. Repeated offers on the >opponent's clock would be cause for sanctions of course... but not just one. > > > > >> >>>The offer from Frans was perfectly legitimate and appropriate, >> >>It depends if it was done at the proper time an in the proper manner. Still >>something we don't know. >> >>> as otherwise the opponent would have lost on time, period. >> >>How do you know? Was Crafty never busted in a game with only few minutes on the >>opponents clock by a GM? So why do you claim Tiviakov was unable to win, whitout >>(if he did) being interrupted in his thinking? > > > >Just look at the position. A simple pawn race where you promote first is easy >to win in a minute. This position was _not_ a simple pawn race or mate. It >was still full of potential problems for both sides. I would be happy to test >my hypothesis by playing _any_ GM you care to find from that position on ICC. >Give them 2 minutes on their clock, give Crafty 30 minutes on its clock. I >would expect a tactical oversight and would expect Crafty to at _least_ draw >that position with that kind of time handicap... > > > >> >>As fas as I know he had ~2 min on the clock which can be enough or not. >> >>>Frans went way beyond what was called for, and should be applauded for trying >>>to do the right thing, not villified for absolutely insipid reasons... >> >>My guess too is that he was doing it for good purposes, but I feel we lack some >>information to give a complete judgement. We have enough information regarding the "purposes" of Frans, since he also offered a draw to Piket in the first round, a knight ending with pawns on both sides and a huge time advantage for Fritz. He simply doesn't want to win because of the clock. >>regards >>Franz > > >So we _always_ assume dark motives??? Seems to be a prevalent idea nowadays. Always been. :( Enrique
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