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Subject: Re: Top Programs Are at least IM strenght, Probably Better. No Doubt Anymore

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 12:40:25 05/17/00

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On May 17, 2000 at 11:16:59, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:

>On May 17, 2000 at 11:07:03, Fernando Villegas wrote:
>
>>Hi:
>>That best programs are IM strenght is not a novelty. I think I have seen many
>>post by Bob saying that, but in any case if a shadow of a doubt still existed,
>>the tournament in Holland has given another proof of it. Now IM lose
>>systematically to best programs or get a draw or win just once in a while. Now
>>an IM winning a top program IS the new. Respect GM, that's another history as
>>much as the "GM" expression encloses a very wide category. There are worlds of
>>difference between a normal GM and one of the top ten or one of the top five.
>>Seems like differences between players get bigger the highest his capacities.
>>Between a 1600 and a 1500 elo player there is not really a big gap, but between
>>a 2500 and a 2600 there are parsecs of distance. So the discussion should be:
>>which kind of GM top programs already are or are near to be? My guess: they are
>>or near to be member of the pack of low level GM's. Another guess: they will be
>>top 50 GM's class in 5 years at most. And ten top in 10 years, excepto if
>>something unexpected happens, like the fall of an asteroid on Earth.
>>Fernando
>
>If Fritz draws with van der Wiel, it will get a TPR > 2600 and a GM norm, even
>without counting the 2 forfeits of Bosboom and van der Sterren. So a PC program
>scored like a grand master, but don't you tell me that plays like one. I seem to
>have a semantic problem: the word "master" doesn't come to my mind when I see
>how programs (not only Fritz but all of them) play against the van Welys and
>Grootens; boom-boom chess may score well, but "master" (mastering the game of
>chess) it is not.
>
>Enrique


In the US, where basketball is big, the computer and some basketball teams have
a lot in common.  They live (and die) by three-point shots.  But when your
three-point shooters are 'cold' the game turns ugly.  When the chess game is not
wide-open, it turns ugly.

Lots of parallels.  Computers do some things very well.  Others very poorly.
That makes it hard (for me) to really decide how strong they actually are.  You
_know_ how little they "understand" but they get good results in many cases.
So do the three-point shooters, of course.  But not always when it counts the
most.



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