Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 18:35:29 05/22/00
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On May 22, 2000 at 18:31:43, stuart taylor wrote: >On May 21, 2000 at 22:48:20, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On May 21, 2000 at 21:09:29, Michael Neish wrote: >> >>> >>>Hi, >>> >>>No they're not playing again (for the moment), although we probably all wish >>>they would. >>> >>>I'd just like to ask something about the game. We all know how decisively Van >>>Wely took Fritz apart in the recent Dutch Championships. There was a lot of >>>talk about computers failing miserably at this sort of position. >>> >>>I may have missed something, but I can't remember reading anything about how >>>Fritz should have defended the position, i.e., what a strong player would have >>>done. >>> >>>If programmers are to eliminate this yawning hole in their evaluations, they >>>need to know what to patch up or rewrite. Unfortunately for us weak players >>>it's not only a programming problem but lack of understanding of the game that >>>lets us down. >>> >>>So if there are any half-way decent players out there who are interested in the >>>game, could you please let us know what a GM (or strong player) would have done >>>in Fritz's place? (I think we need something more detailed than "stop White's >>>Pawn storm".) >>> >>>Game follows below ...... >>> >>>Cheers, >>> >>>Mike. >>> >> >> >>There are a couple of obvious things. >> >>1. Bg4 is silly. After f3, it has to retreat. >> >>2. after f4, black needs to play ef, rather than allowing the pawn to be >>pushed to f5. After f5, white has lots of space on the kingside, and the pawn >>roller is hard to stop. Black, meanwhile, has a locked center to play with and >>has a hard time defending on the kingside with so little space there. >> >>f5 is the kind of move we would see on ICC all the time vs GM/IM players.. >>It is something that you have to avoid, or get rolled into a small ball most >>every time. >> >> >> >> >>>---------- >>> >>>[Event "Dutch championship"] >>>[Site "?"] >>>[Date "2000.??.??"] >>>[Round "?"] >>>[White "Van Wely"] >>>[Black "Fritz SSS"] >>>[Result "1-0"] >>>[ECO "A25"] >>>[WhiteElo "2646"] >>>[PlyCount "49"] >>> >>>1. c4 e5 2. g3 Nf6 3. Bg2 Nc6 4. Nc3 Bb4 5. a3 Bxc3 6. bxc3 O-O 7. e4 a6 8. a4 >>>d6 9. d3 Bg4 10. f3 Bd7 11. Ne2 Qc8 12. h3 b6 13. f4 Be6 14. f5 Bd7 15. g4 Ne8 >>>16. Ng3 Qd8 17. g5 Bc8 18. h4 f6 19. Qh5 Na5 20. Ra3 Qe7 21. Nf1 Nc6 22. Ne3 >>>Qd7 23. g6 h6 24. Ng4 Ra7 25. Rg1 1-0 > >Is Fritz sss proven to be a better program than Fritz 6a, or other top programs? > I know that Fritz 5.32 plays alot differently-as I followed it with that >program. It looks more sense than some of the moves of Fritz sss. > I don't know about e:f, but it doesn't play Bg4, or many other moves. And >surely there are other programs which would not have lost that game. > So is Fritz sss the top representative of Fritz really? I can only assume yes, since I can't imagine Frans taking a second-best program to that tournament.
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