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Subject: Re: Interesting result from SSDF

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 06:24:42 06/12/00

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On June 12, 2000 at 05:16:36, Jason Williamson wrote:

>On June 08, 2000 at 20:46:47, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On June 08, 2000 at 16:10:16, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>>On June 08, 2000 at 15:25:22, Amir Ban wrote:
>>>
>>>>Ok, here's my two cents:
>>>>
>>>>The most likely estimate for the game outcome is the overall match result
>>>>(33.5/41). The probability for any *particular* sequence of 10 games (say the
>>>>last 10) to be 10-0 is (33.5/41)^10 = 13.3%.
>>>>
>>>>If you want probability for any sequence anywhere, the probability is larger, as
>>>>you point out.
>>>>
>>>>If you suspect the 10-0 result, you can argue that the most likely estimate
>>>>should discount this result, so this gives you a probability of (23.5/31)^10 =
>>>>6.3%.
>>>
>>>If you use the most likely estimate
>>>The probability for 10:0 is smaller than (23.5/31)^10 because there are draws.
>>>
>>>The result was +20, =7.-4 so if you use the most likely estimate you get
>>>probability (20/31) for Junior to win
>>>7/31 for a draw and 4/31 for a loss
>>>
>>>(20/31)^10=0.012493... so the probability is less than 2%
>>>
>>>I ignored the fact that the white probability is different from the black
>>>probability but not ignoring it does not change much the result because you get:
>>>
>>>(10/15)^5*(10/16)^5 that is 0.012558...
>>>
>>>If you do not ignore the last 10 games and ignore the colours you get
>>>(30/41)^10=0.043992...
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>
>>The thing I am most concerned about is multiple consecutive games.  I don't do
>>_any_ testing by having crafty play multiple games.  All of my playing is done
>>where for each game, the engine is started completely over.  It is more than
>>possible that _if_ a series of games are played with the same version, that
>>something bad could happen:  (1) something might not get reset properly;  (b)
>>a bug might actually clobber something that will then stay clobbered for many
>>games.
>>
>>I will try to do some testing on this to see if everything seems to be working
>>right...  but I am definitely concerned that just sending a "new" to start a new
>>game could cause problems...
>
>What I am a little confused is:  Isn't the SSDF list match done with the Crafty
>from Chessbase?  As far as I know this engine is restarted before every match.
>
>Jason


I don't know how any of that works.  If you are correct, that is the way I would
like to see matches played.  IE using winboard, you have the option of either
starting the engine over after each game in a match, or reusing the same engine
over and over.

As far as chessbase stuff goes, I am ignorant.  I only run Linux, which means
no ChessBase stuff runs here at all.



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