Author: Detlef Pordzik
Date: 10:12:22 08/27/00
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On August 27, 2000 at 12:03:12, Eddie wrote: >On August 27, 2000 at 09:49:28, Detlef Pordzik wrote: > >>On August 27, 2000 at 02:15:27, Sandro Necchi wrote: >> >>>Yes, I am and the book is 2 years later than M-Chess one. This means that there >>>are 2 more years work improvements behind it! >>> >>>Of course I had to change a lot to make it suitable to the new program, but >>>overall results seems to indicate that when the new Shredder 5.0 will be >>>available with my book it should be rated about 80 points higher than Fritz 6a. >>> >>>Maybe more, but it is very difficult to know the correct Elo in advance. But >>>this gives you the figure of the improvements we have made. This is why we >>>believed we have very good chances to win the championship. Of course one needs >>>luck also, not only a good program! >>> >>>Sandro >> >>I am not so sure if I interpret all this correct, maybe it's just a wrong >>intention or assumption of mine. >>I sure do credit and respect your work and professionalism from your time >>together with Marty way back when. >>But I don't think this gives you the right to critisize and disrespect, what you >>can't measure nor have any insights. >>Until Sh3 the book was made by SMK himself - for the Sh 4 I was engaged by >>Millenium to create an entirely new book for the prog, right from the scratch. >> >>May I draw your attention towards the fact, that this 132 Megs book had it's >>reasonable share for the disguised rating on SSDF, scored extremely well vs the >>at that time state-of-the art competitors ? >>Nobody is perfect, for sure, and I would have needed 2 more years at least to >>tighten it up, but we couldn't agree on a continue. >>Yet, all preferences had to be done + set by hand/manually -as you should know, >>and these preferences are MY understanding of the way, this product should play. >>Which turned out to be not that failiure, as evidence gave proof. >> >>So, I wish you all the very best for the future of your cooking, and I mean it. >>But I think you really should stick it to measure, balance, critisize and >>whatsoever more of the job of your comrades in this very particular, small >>secenery of book cookers. >> >>Pleasant sunday, Sandro >> >>ELVIS > >Hi Elvis! > >How you doing over there in Spenge?!! :) What's up with Atti? And Lapo too? > >Shredder came out of the opening very poorly in 3 games during the tournament. >Yet it still held on to take the title ..... > >So, in your opinion, is the cooked opening book more important THAN the strength >of the engine? I'm just wondering here with all this talk of the new book ..... > >Anyway, chat with ya later -- Queenie says hi too ..... :)) Hi, my good man - everything stable in the green backyards of Germany..... concerning weak lines - they quite naturally occure in allmost ANY book - maybe the only existing different example under this view is the one of A.Kure for NIMZO - but, if so, he had ages of time to trim it under these aspects. Nevetheless : for my personal opinion it isn't of that importance every time, if a prog gets out of his book and shows a minus evaluation right after. At least me - I was much more interested if it "understood" the resulting middlegame and therefore could turn the page during the game. But : that's MY style of interpreting the job - maybe Sandro or the others see this totally different; it has to be respected anyway. As far as the general worthy of the book is concerned : having tournaments + their commercial importance in mind, the book sure is of major importance to "show" the product the most successful lines - in general it should be balanced with a grain of salt - it's an important PART of the show, not less but sure not more. In the end it's allways the code who's gotta do the job - but, no doubts, you can give him a hard time or make his day if showing him weak lines, for sure. Did this explain things a lil' clearer ? ELVIS
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