Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 01:08:27 08/31/00
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On August 30, 2000 at 07:51:19, Tony Werten wrote: >On August 30, 2000 at 05:19:08, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>Oh let's be real. >> >>Xinix couldn't even castle. > >Yes it can. Actually in the game against Crafty it castled too much. > >>Officially you have lost then, > >As far as I now, you don't have to castle. > >>as it doesn't accept legal moves. > >Yes it does. > >>Read my report instead of >>the reactions on the report to see what i wrote about Diep-Xinix. >> >>Yet in 90% of the cases you still win as being commercial. > >?? I'm not commercial. > >>Only very seldom in 10% of the remaining cases you draw. >> >>Even with e1Q in our game it would not have been that simple to draw it. > >I didn't say I could win, I said you had enough problems scoring the point. That's very normal in computerchess. >Tony > >> >> >>On August 30, 2000 at 02:55:26, Tony Werten wrote: >> >>>On August 29, 2000 at 13:26:36, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On August 29, 2000 at 12:21:16, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>I think that the pairing in the last round was fair because >>>>>zchess had weaker opponents than Sos(even after the last round I found that Sos >>>>>had a better opponents score. >>>>> >>>>>The sum of Sos opponent score is 39.5 when the sum of zchess oppont score was >>>>>only 36. >>>> >>>>This is all peanuts compared to playing for the world title. Note >>>>that SOP is not a real fair comparision measure. It's just a method. >>>>It doesn't say much significant. >>>> >>>>The most significant thing is how many points you have. what they did now >>>>was pairing zchess against shredder and giving SOS a free point. >>>> >>>>If zchess would win against shredder then it would not get the >>>>amateur title but the overall title as well IMHO. >>>> >>>>Before the 8th round you don't know anything about who you play in >>>>the 9th round when your name is SOS and zchess. SOS was lucky to have >>>>a few SOP more. The pairing IS ridicioulous considering that it was >>>>changed the rounds before that in favour of junior for simpel reasons. >>>> >>>>Now we don't know who is better. SOS or Zchess? >>>> >>>>THEY DIDN'T PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>> >>>>>Zchess cannot complain about unjustice in the pairing. >>>> >>>>The whole pairing was changed because of AMIRs fear for SOP. Now the last >>>>round SOS gets the world title for free, the rest simply doesn't >>>>count. >>> >>>Very friendly of you. As I remember you had enough problems scoring a point >>>against XiniX, so did Chess Tiger. >>> >>>Furthermore, ZChess had played XiniX before, you didn't complain. SOS had played >>>Shredder before, you didn't complain. >>> >>>When going into the last round, even with SOS playing me, he still had more >>>resistance points than ZChess. That means he scored the same amount of points as >>>ZChess and did it against tougher opponents. >>> >>>In the end, he scored more points against tougher opposisition. He deserved to >>>finish above ZChess. >>> >>>Tony >>> >>>> >>>>So let's face it: >>>> >>>>Both zchess and insomniac were hurt by this. Note that with either pairing >>>>Insomniac would make a pretty small chance. >>>> >>>>it had 0.5 points less so the most achievable would be a match >>>>versus the other program with 5 points. >>>> >>>>What is fairer as PLAYING for the world title? I mean both had 4.5 >>>>points. Winner has world title. If draw then 2 programs are tied to >>>>play another game. Possibly Insomniac might join that. >>>> >>>>>The program that can complain about unjustice not because of the pairing is >>>>>insomniac that is the real amatuer world champion. >>>> >>>>>Sos is sold as part of the young talent and by definition is a professional >>>>>program. >>>> >>>>I'm sure that Rudolf didn't get rich by this deal. >>>> >>>>paying 250 is a bloody shame anyway. It's a way too high entry fee. >>>>Not to mention 500. Why pay 500? Let them be happy that there are >>>>commercials playing! >>>> >>>>Just the FACT that you create conditions which give persons reasons to >>>>NOT join, like Johan de Koning, that's bad. >>>> >>>>Johan de Koning WAS in london by the way. He joined a different computer >>>>game. Let's not give him a SINGLE reason to not join. >>>> >>>>He has one now. >>>> >>>>The entry fee is ridicioulous. They didn't even have an internet >>>>connection where they neded to pay for. Basically a few power cables >>>>was all what was needed and a small place in the hall. The price for >>>>making a small board mentionning : "WMCC" they didn't even make. >>>> >>>>>Chessbase could do it amatuer by not selling it before the WMCCC but they did >>>>>not do it. >>>> >>>>Oh well when chessbase can make some money i'm sure they don't care that >>>>Rudolf might possibly pay more money entry fee. That's not exactly >>>>chessbase style. Ask them how 'well' they cared for Frans Morsch, Alex Kure >>>>and Amir Ban. >>>> >>>>>Uri
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